Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings
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Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
All of the first-party connections seem to have proper DNS names, even on CDN (microsoft.com, microsoft.com.akadns.net). The ad networks are obvious third party that could be dropped. I mean, there could be more stuff I didn't see, but from the screenshots, dns blackholing seems viable.
DNS blackholing is playing whack-a-mole. I can blackhole scontent.xx.fbcdn.net today, and I have no assurance or confidence that they won't use scontent.xx.fbcdn2.net tomorrow. DNS/FW whitelist is the only way to have even a little confidence that egress is controlled at this point.
Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings
#63Frankly, I am fed up trying to block the "phone-home" connections between our PCs and Microsoft and we're still only using Windows 7. There is absolutely no way we would ever use Windows 10 unless we could guarantee that we could totally sever all such connections permanently and not have to worry about them again. Moreover, for some years now we have considered our Windows operating systems as 'hostile' privacy-bust…
You didn't buy/pay for the operating system. You bought the rights to use the operating system under the terms Microsoft stated.
Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
Whether it's incompetence or malice, it's wholly unprofessional. My confidence was already shaken with MS through their entire Win 10 Campaign and it's now completely gone. Their paid support services are hit and miss and if I'm going to end up supporting things that my client is paying MS to support then they're out and my client gets a smaller TCO overall. I'll have to work with some of them so their business remai…
Agreed. Their forced Windows 10 upgrade "mistake" and my experience last year trying to plug all the holes in enterprise just to watch them re-install Candy Crush Saga with the next update vaporized any confidence or trust I had. I've always been an MS person but am running Ubuntu on all of my devices now. I feel it hurts my productivity as lots of things I did in Windows just don't work in Ubuntu, but it's better th…
Canonical did some stuff that upset a lot of people with sending search results through Amazon but that could be opted out of much easier than all this windows 10 stuff. I have also read that they don't contribute to the kernel as much as some think they ought to. And they have a tendency to fiddle with their UIs endlessly (I use xubuntu which is based on XFCE and avoids a lot that bikeshed renovation). Are there other reasons not to trust canonical?
I don't mean to pry with either question just generally curious.
Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
Chrome is not installed according to this tweet: "Also note this is a system with minimal software install, all default windows store apps removed, and nothing running on it." https://twitter.com/m8urnett/status/866354381012189184
I saw that tweet but I still doubt that any Windows 10 service would connect to analytics.google.com. It seems more likely that he has a Google application installed. Edited to reword the second sentence.
Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings
#66The switch to Linux or other free operating systems is long overdue. If your excuse is hardware support, then (1) your hardware is probably supported these days and (2) you should not buy hardware that is incompatible with the operating system you plan to use. If your excuse is editing MS Office files, LibreOffice supports the formats and works great, and MS Office on Wine is an option. If your excuse is games, then…
True. Support has gotten significantly better. It's not perfect, and the failure cases are much worse than Windows (and somewhat worse than OS X), but it's gotten better.
> you should not buy hardware that is incompatible with the operating system you plan to use
This is where you start going off the rails.
People did buy hardware that was compatible with the operating system they do use. It is super presumptuous and weird to try this sleight-of-hand in your argument.
> LibreOffice supports the formats and works great
You are now off the rails and airborne.
Nontrivial Excel spreadsheets break in LibreOffice Calc on the regular and it's significantly slower (!) than Excel besides; anything using VBA, which is still a pretty big chunk of serious Office users especially in enterprises, is a nonstarter for obvious reasons. The UI is also, IMO, a huge step backwards from Office and now that the Ribbon "but but it's different" is far enough in the past that pretty much everybody has switched, another UI switch is probably not worth it.
> with Steam and Wine combined your potential gaming library is HUGE
Sailing through the air with the mountain approaching.
Your potential gaming library is huge--and either indie (which is fine, but limited) or largely broken. Suggesting WINE to somebody who doesn't already know what they're in for is dirty; even gold-flagged games in WINE that aren't a decade old are often broken in ways your average mortal can't fix. If you enjoy being elbow-deep in a computer, this may be fine for you. Most people aren't. Your preaching ignores this. It shouldn't.
> Proprietary operating systems work against your interests. Stop using them.
You've hit the cliffside. There are no survivors.
People will stop using them when open-source ones are good at the things they want. Right now, they're still not, and exhorting people to use an inferior good (for the things they care about) is kinda just doing people dirty.
Don't get me wrong: I would like Linux and other open-source operating systems to be better desktop OSes for normal people (and some of my own projects are intended to help facilitate that) but still, in 2017, it is a raw effing deal for the majority of people to switch to it. This should change. I know you work on stuff to make that happen, and that's awesome. But it's still not something I think can be recommended in good conscience to most folks, even around here.
It barely works for me, and I've been using it on the desktop for fifteen years and have grown accustomed to the need to cultivate tragically low expectations around the whole stack.
Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings
#67He made this error countless times, rendering the entire experiment a failure.
Oops.
Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings
#68The switch to Linux or other free operating systems is long overdue. If your excuse is hardware support, then (1) your hardware is probably supported these days and (2) you should not buy hardware that is incompatible with the operating system you plan to use. If your excuse is editing MS Office files, LibreOffice supports the formats and works great, and MS Office on Wine is an option. If your excuse is games, then…
> your hardware is probably supported these days True. Support has gotten significantly better. It's not perfect, and the failure cases are much worse than Windows (and somewhat worse than OS X), but it's gotten better. > you should not buy hardware that is incompatible with the operating system you plan to use This is where you start going off the rails. People did buy hardware that was compatible with the operating…
Make new purchases more intelligently.
>You are now off the rails and airborne. Excel is still largely unsupported and breaks nontrivial spreadsheets. The UI is also, IMO, a huge step backwards from Office and now that the Ribbon "but but it's different" is far enough in the past that pretty much everybody has switched, another UI switch is probably not worth it.
Which is why I mentioned MS Office in Wine.
>Still sailing through the air with the mountain approaching. Your potential gaming library is huge--and either indie or largely broken. Suggesting WINE to somebody who doesn't already know what they're in for is dirty; even gold-flagged games in WINE don't work particularly well a whole lot.
I suggested it to the HN crowd, who I expect to have a higher bar of troubleshooting capability.
>People will stop using them when open-source ones are good at the things they want. Right now, they're still not, and exhorting people to use an inferior good (for the things they care about) is kinda just doing people dirty.
You and people like you are the reason that it's not as good as it could be. I use Linux as my daily driver and it works extremely well. But if you continue to let it languish with a small market share because you can't be bothered to troubleshoot it for 10 minutes or maybe live without that piece of software you need so much, then it won't even go anywhere. Yours is a self defeating attitude.
Re: Windows 10 Enterprise ignores various privacy settings
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can't agree with this more. A client straight up failed a PCI compliance audit, replete with daily fines, for using 10 Enterprise. They decided to pursue legal measures against MS for false claims. I really hope this gets elevated because reverting to win 7 is a solution with a short life span. The other solution is to rebuild infrastructure on top of a different platform but that's prohibitively expensive.
> They decided to pursue legal measures against MS for false claims. Do you have a court case or docket you can point to?
But I'll ask if he'll give me the info. That's all public anyways right? I don't know very much about legal jazz.