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Re: Countries that are reducing numbers of immigrant workers

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Post by JetSpiegel »

sanswork wrote: post #36
posguy wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are tired of the corporate owned politicians allowing companies to run roughshod over the laws, morals & expectations of society. This is expressed in many ways, from xenophobia to the rise of Bernie Sanders & Donald Trump. People don't want another corporate owned shill like either of the Clintons, both Bushes, and Obama, and I'd wager that Obama knew this in 2008, hence why he made sure his moderately grassr…

If they didn't want a corporate owned shill why did they elect a corporate shill? >where low cost workers from overseas work at every single Tim Hortons. This isn't reality I think you need to check your information sources.

Trump shills for himself, while the others are much more nebulous.

Re: Countries that are reducing numbers of immigrant workers

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Post by zac99 »

1.I don’t agree with the author, issue is local job loss due to immigration 2.Don’t forget Google and Microsoft CEO’s are INDIAN Engineers 3.Looks odd A Global leader Country advocating protectionism 4.Rather than job loss at micro level check How many Job loss due to wrong practice by companies to make more profits check “double-Irish” tax system used by Google, Apple and Oracle 5.Check Job loss due to scandals Enron,Lehman brothers http://www.accounting-degree.org/scandals/ 6.Yes its eye opener for Indians only focusing on services thats why we don’t have Baidu,Yandex and QQ What will happen If every country started nationalism, protectionism and avoids Products made by other countries? Who will hurt more?

Re: Countries that are reducing numbers of immigrant workers

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Post by usrusr »

cryodesign wrote: post #35
golergka wrote: post #11

Despite the title of the article, I see one thing unmentioned: general reputation of incompetence. However, nearly everybody I know in IT, from different countries and backgrounds, knows "Indian code" to be a meme of not only bad quality but gross, mind-boggling incompetence. I don't have a personal experience with indian companies and/or engineers, so don't have a personal opinion on that matter. If anything, it see…

I've met a few brilliant Indian engineers. I asked one of them why he was different to his peers. He explained that most of his peers don't enjoy or like what they are doing. They chose to become a developer, because it's a potential path to become a 'manager', which has a higher status in the eyes of their parents, friends and family. Edit: But we have to be careful not to stereo type. I think a comment made here is…

Shit code does not have nationality, but different nations have different market and education dynamics. Those greatly influence the amount of shit code created. The same education boom that creates a glut of not so competent opportunists is also very likely to increase the absolute number of brilliant developers, just maybe at a lower rate. But those are completely invisible if you only ever buy man-hours from the lowest bidder, so the stereotype does not come from thin air. Instead of trying to completely dispose of the stereotype on the basis of racism I think that it would be far more meaningful to focus on diverting the stereotype from the incorrect base of ethnicity to the actual base of a very specific economical situation. In a gold rush you will meet many non-expert miners.

Re: Countries that are reducing numbers of immigrant workers

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Post by Kurtz79 »

I don't really get why the submission title was changed from the initial "Everywhere Indian engineers are unwanted," to the current one, since the former is the literal title in the linked article and its actual focus ?

I'm all for having reasonable Politically Correctness on HN, it just seems weird in this case.

Re: Countries that are reducing numbers of immigrant workers

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Post by denzil_correa »

cryodesign wrote: post #35
golergka wrote: post #11

Despite the title of the article, I see one thing unmentioned: general reputation of incompetence. However, nearly everybody I know in IT, from different countries and backgrounds, knows "Indian code" to be a meme of not only bad quality but gross, mind-boggling incompetence. I don't have a personal experience with indian companies and/or engineers, so don't have a personal opinion on that matter. If anything, it see…

I've met a few brilliant Indian engineers. I asked one of them why he was different to his peers. He explained that most of his peers don't enjoy or like what they are doing. They chose to become a developer, because it's a potential path to become a 'manager', which has a higher status in the eyes of their parents, friends and family. Edit: But we have to be careful not to stereo type. I think a comment made here is…

> He explained that most of his peers don't enjoy or like what they are doing. They chose to become a developer, because it's a potential path to become a 'manager', which has a higher status in the eyes of their parents, friends and family.

Apart from social status, the career path is also a way to earn enough money for a decent lifestyle.

Re: Countries that are reducing numbers of immigrant workers

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Post by denzil_correa »

la_oveja wrote: post #43
aub3bhat wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Come on what general reputation of incompetence? Just take a look at proportion of indians at top engineering and management positions in Tech Companies. This "meme" is nothing but some racist stereotype pushed by old commenters on Slashdot style website who paint themselves to be next turing award material. Guess what the Market never lies and you get what you pay for! Those who pay the best/most still have large nu…

Call it whatever you want, the average indian github account has some of the weirdest shit I've ever seen. Saving stuff to txt instead of database, make download 500kb json on each login, callback hell... I'm sure a proper indian engineer wont do this stuff, but the quantity of indian people who make bad code (and bad english) amazes me.

> the quantity of indian people who make bad code (and bad english) amazes me.

The quantity of anything in a 1.2Bn people nation will surprise you.

The ratio however, is a different point. I'm not saying your conclusions are wrong. I'm just saying that quantity isn't the right factor to draw conclusions. Specially, for a country like India.

Re: Countries that are reducing numbers of immigrant workers

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Post by geodel »

godzilla82 wrote: post #40
robjan wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure if it's tribalism so much as protecting the local economy against salary arbitrage.

Are the products of your "local economy" sold locally. If not, then you have no right to claim protection.

Unfortunately rights are not much applicable in international matters. They are governed by laws which can benefit locals or treaties which can benefit both parties.

I have seen in India even in same nation people from one state want to throw out people from different states as they are taking jobs and resources that are supposed for locals.

Re: Countries that are reducing numbers of immigrant workers

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Post by [deleted] »

la_oveja wrote: post #43
aub3bhat wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Come on what general reputation of incompetence? Just take a look at proportion of indians at top engineering and management positions in Tech Companies. This "meme" is nothing but some racist stereotype pushed by old commenters on Slashdot style website who paint themselves to be next turing award material. Guess what the Market never lies and you get what you pay for! Those who pay the best/most still have large nu…

Call it whatever you want, the average indian github account has some of the weirdest shit I've ever seen. Saving stuff to txt instead of database, make download 500kb json on each login, callback hell... I'm sure a proper indian engineer wont do this stuff, but the quantity of indian people who make bad code (and bad english) amazes me.

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Re: Countries that are reducing numbers of immigrant workers

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Post by empressplay »

sanswork wrote: post #36
posguy wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are tired of the corporate owned politicians allowing companies to run roughshod over the laws, morals & expectations of society. This is expressed in many ways, from xenophobia to the rise of Bernie Sanders & Donald Trump. People don't want another corporate owned shill like either of the Clintons, both Bushes, and Obama, and I'd wager that Obama knew this in 2008, hence why he made sure his moderately grassr…

If they didn't want a corporate owned shill why did they elect a corporate shill? >where low cost workers from overseas work at every single Tim Hortons. This isn't reality I think you need to check your information sources.

The Canadian government has since cracked down on handing out visas for fast food workers, but in 2014 it was a big deal

http://www.vancouversun.com/life/Hortons+McDonald+face+criti...

Re: Countries that are reducing numbers of immigrant workers

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Post by geodel »

sreenadh wrote: post #23
newsat13 wrote: post #10

I hope the India govt moves fast now. The should take this opportunity to improve local infrastructure and put in reforms for a domestic software economy. The TCS, Infosys & Wipro helped kickstart the software revolution in India but they need to take this to a better conclusion than it is now. We need product based companies in India and we need a strong local domestic market. It needs to retain it's talent at home.…

TCS, Infosys & Wipro are more of a sweatshops than innovative companies...

They weren't from day one. At some point the idea and implementation of cost arbitrage was itself innovation.
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