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Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by houseabsolute » Mon, Jun 07, 2010, 6:40 PM UTC

crocowhile wrote: post #48

HD display and movies, 5MP camera, increased battery life, folders and multitasking, gyroscope... I have all this on the Nexus One and that is a 6 months old phone. I think this WWDC is signing the end of an era: jobs has lost his famous innovative advantage and now he is running behind. Android/HTC had these features in their last generation phones and with EVO coming out they are going to make the iPhone 4 obsolete…

You left out all the things you don't have on your Nexus One. An HD video camera, or any camera at all that captures at 30 fps. The Nexus One's display is lower resolution than the announced iPhone display, and some of the Nexus resolution is fake resolution from the novel pixel setup. Video calling. Guitar Hero, Netflix, and Farmville. iAd (you know that is going to be a draw for some developers). Universal copy and paste.

I'm currently using a Nexus One as my primary phone, but let's please make honest comparisons.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by wvenable » Mon, Jun 07, 2010, 6:40 PM UTC

crocowhile wrote: post #48

HD display and movies, 5MP camera, increased battery life, folders and multitasking, gyroscope... I have all this on the Nexus One and that is a 6 months old phone. I think this WWDC is signing the end of an era: jobs has lost his famous innovative advantage and now he is running behind. Android/HTC had these features in their last generation phones and with EVO coming out they are going to make the iPhone 4 obsolete…

This is an awful lot like Rob Malda's famous quote: "No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame."

I'd go so far as to say that Apple never competes purely on features. They resisted putting features into the iPod (like an FM radio) for years and yet those devices still flew off the shelves. The iPhone 3GS screen is 1/4 the resolution of my now highly obsolete WinMo phone. Apple never rushes to add anything when they don't need to -- and that is not necessarily a bad thing.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by tel » Mon, Jun 07, 2010, 6:41 PM UTC

NZ_Matt wrote: post #60

weeksie wrote: post #57

The FaceTime thing is epic. That said, it just gets more and more dangerous to go out and get hammered and start drunk-dialing people . . . The number of post-bender apologies that I usually have to make will probably go up by at least 50%.

It's only iphone 4 to iphone 4 so it's basically useless most of the time.

I'd say that iPhone users have many friends who are also iPhone users, anecdotally.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by tvon » Mon, Jun 07, 2010, 6:41 PM UTC

crocowhile wrote: post #48

HD display and movies, 5MP camera, increased battery life, folders and multitasking, gyroscope... I have all this on the Nexus One and that is a 6 months old phone. I think this WWDC is signing the end of an era: jobs has lost his famous innovative advantage and now he is running behind. Android/HTC had these features in their last generation phones and with EVO coming out they are going to make the iPhone 4 obsolete…

I don't know how many times this has to be said, but a product is more than the sum of it's feature-grid checkboxes.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by raganwald » Mon, Jun 07, 2010, 6:42 PM UTC

alain94040 wrote: post #47

gbhn wrote: post #38

I'm not sure I follow the "Retinal Display" name. Is this just branding on a 300dpi pixel resolution? Or is there something to do with multi-resolution support for apps (those coded in the old resolution will still get up-converted text resolution, it sounded like).

Let this be a lesson in marketing to all of you... As geeks, we'd tend to say "New and improved screen resolution: 300 DPI!". Which doesn't mean anything to 99% of the general population. But "retinal display", withs its attached explanation, now that's really something. Words matter.

You see this all the time on everything from advertisements to infomercials. There are two simple templates for every feature you want to pitch:

Problem First:

Tired of text that looks like it was built out of lego blocks? iPhone 4.0 has a 300DPI Retinal Display, which is so sharp that the human eye cannot see individual dots on the screen.

Feature First:

iPhone 4.0 has a 300DPI Retinal Display, which means you will never see blocky pixels again: the display is so sharp that the human eye cannot see the dots.

...

Tired of working around the clock on a cool new feature only to have customers ask you "So What?" These two feature pitch templates explain why customers should care, which means more sales for you!

Or perhaps:

Reg Braithwaite's "World Of Go" uses gestures instead of buttons, which means the entire screen can be devoted to the board, making it look like a Go board instead of like a Go program.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by tvon » Mon, Jun 07, 2010, 6:42 PM UTC

NZ_Matt wrote: post #60

weeksie wrote: post #57

The FaceTime thing is epic. That said, it just gets more and more dangerous to go out and get hammered and start drunk-dialing people . . . The number of post-bender apologies that I usually have to make will probably go up by at least 50%.

It's only iphone 4 to iphone 4 so it's basically useless most of the time.

Jobs: "we’re going to make FaceTime an open industry standard."

Should be interesting.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by crocowhile » Mon, Jun 07, 2010, 6:43 PM UTC

george_morgan wrote: post #51

crocowhile wrote: post #48

HD display and movies, 5MP camera, increased battery life, folders and multitasking, gyroscope... I have all this on the Nexus One and that is a 6 months old phone. I think this WWDC is signing the end of an era: jobs has lost his famous innovative advantage and now he is running behind. Android/HTC had these features in their last generation phones and with EVO coming out they are going to make the iPhone 4 obsolete…

The iPhone has never had the competitive advantage based on it’s feature count.

It's not matter of features count. It's matter of innovative features. Hardly anything innovative in this product.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by turtle4 » Mon, Jun 07, 2010, 6:43 PM UTC

NZ_Matt wrote: post #60

weeksie wrote: post #57

The FaceTime thing is epic. That said, it just gets more and more dangerous to go out and get hammered and start drunk-dialing people . . . The number of post-bender apologies that I usually have to make will probably go up by at least 50%.

It's only iphone 4 to iphone 4 so it's basically useless most of the time.

Worse that that, you have to be calling someone else with an iPhone, and you -both- have to be using wifi. Don't get me wrong, it is a step up from what they used to have available, but that is kind of a tall order for general consumption.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by crocowhile » Mon, Jun 07, 2010, 6:46 PM UTC

houseabsolute wrote: post #61

crocowhile wrote: post #48

HD display and movies, 5MP camera, increased battery life, folders and multitasking, gyroscope... I have all this on the Nexus One and that is a 6 months old phone. I think this WWDC is signing the end of an era: jobs has lost his famous innovative advantage and now he is running behind. Android/HTC had these features in their last generation phones and with EVO coming out they are going to make the iPhone 4 obsolete…

You left out all the things you don't have on your Nexus One. An HD video camera, or any camera at all that captures at 30 fps. The Nexus One's display is lower resolution than the announced iPhone display, and some of the Nexus resolution is fake resolution from the novel pixel setup. Video calling. Guitar Hero, Netflix, and Farmville. iAd (you know that is going to be a draw for some developers). Universal copy and…

N1 has hd video at 20fps. display is better, ok. guitar hero, netflix and farmville I would not call them innovations. farmville is a way to overcome flash of course.

Re: Steve Jobs live from WWDC 2010

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Post by poutine » Mon, Jun 07, 2010, 6:46 PM UTC

turtle4 wrote: post #53

I can't believe that the demo isn't being run off of its own network. Seriously, if you can't get good reception inside, at least run your own dedicated wifi network. What were they thinking?

You don't understand WIFI. All WIFI devices share the same 2.4/5GHz bandwidth and thus if you have too many devices in one physical location you're screwed.