GNOME has been doing some really cool stuff as of late ( http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/top-features-in-gnome-3-2... ). I'm still using Cinnamon, because I still like the look a bit more, but it's getting harder to ignore all of the excellent features GNOME provides, including: - Drive support for file manager - Gmail/Outlook support for GNOME accounts and built-in calendars - Working Wayland implementation I'm h…
Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence
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Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, Canonical was heavily involved with Mir because of Unity, right? So, with this change, I guess we can expect a Wayland related news in the following weeks/months. BTW, I would go even further: will they still invest in the Snap package or they will do the same and go to a community oriented package system?
Snap is explicitly mentioned as one of the things they want to focus more on.
Do they never learn?
Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence
#63I get that they're moving away from convergence, but what does this ultimately mean for Ubuntu as a mobile OS? In the grand scheme of things, what does this mean for users who want a completely FOSS stack for their phone (let's ignore the baseband for now)? As far as I can tell, this just means that your only options are Android or iOS. It's not easy to get a Jolla/SailfishOS phone that will work on most Canadian or…
I'd suggest the best remaining option for a FOSS-driven phone (now that Canonical have dropped the ball) is Tizen. It's got the backing of a large phone manufacturer (Samsung) and the Linux Foundation, and seems to be actively developed. It'll probably end up being used on low-end devices at first, but is likely to be more open than the two leading platforms, so hopefully they get some traction amongst tech community…
I, too, want competition in this space. Unfortunately, Tizen got some bad press this week: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/04/samsungs-tizen-is-ri.... The past year has not been good for Samsung on so many fronts.
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#64Damn. From the horses mouth: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cl... I might be a small minority, but I _like_ Unity 7. I have never used Unity 8, and I thought the Ubuntu phone was misspent effort, but wow. Now I have to figure out if there is a way to style Gnome to look like Unity 7. I wonder what this means for Mir vs Wayland as well.
> I wonder what this means for Mir vs Wayland as well.
In my understanding, GNOME Shell doesn't support Mir, only X11 and Wayland, so.
Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence
#65I get that they're moving away from convergence, but what does this ultimately mean for Ubuntu as a mobile OS? In the grand scheme of things, what does this mean for users who want a completely FOSS stack for their phone (let's ignore the baseband for now)? As far as I can tell, this just means that your only options are Android or iOS. It's not easy to get a Jolla/SailfishOS phone that will work on most Canadian or…
Ubuntu Mobile was never really a viable alternative mobile os though.
Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence
#66I'm entirely convinced that Shuttleworth's vision of convergence will happen. It looks like an inevitability, as mobile computing power continues to grow faster than typical consumer workloads (the same forces already made it possible for $400 laptops to be good enough for most mainstream users). Canonical just didn't have the resources to push a 3rd mobile platform. Hell, even Microsoft gave up (who did have the res…
Yep , I thing OS will all go the convergation way. The main problem is that they couldn't gain more apps to that vision. Classic chiken and egg problem.
And to be more ironic ,a few weeks ago, I was under the impression that Ubuntu Phone and SailfishOS have stated to getting traction.
Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence
#67this was expected. Unity 8 has been getting pushed farther and farther and it seemed very unfinished in previews.
Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence
#68I just got the Ubuntu phone. It's the first smart-phone that I don't hate. I do agree that Ubuntu needs to stop with their NIH syndrome when it comes to desktop, but the phone market is just flat out terrible. I would be willing to spend a lot of money for a decent FOSS phone, but there just isn't anything out there. Ubuntu was my only hope |:(
What about the Fairphone + AOSP + F-Droid?
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#69I may be a minority, but I am very saddened by this. Not because I have any particular love for Unity, but rather I share Mark's conviction that convergence is the future. Love or hate it but Unity was IMO the best shot we had at getting an open source unified phone, tablet and desktop experience...and now this is effectively Canonical not only shutting down Unity, but refocusing efforts away from convergence and tow…
I am sad too, in fact, a scan over the comments suggests we aren't so much in the minority. I think too that his conviction was right, it is merely possible that his strategy of going out on his own on Mir wasn't the right one.
I'm not sure if going with Wayland will hamper the eventual convergence, but I doubt at this point we will see an open source convergence before we see one in proprietary form.
Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence
#70Excellent news! I personally think unity is terrible - and it's objectively lacking in several areas, multi-monitor support particularly. The Ubuntu phone thing was a nice idea, but obviously never going to fly, so it's nice to see canonical putting their efforts where their actual users are.
>" it's objectively lacking in several areas, multi-monitor support particularly."
Interesting, considering...
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14043855
Are you basing your views of Unity on recent experience?