Help out here please. Is the house doing something different/worse than the senate to gut our privacy protections? Not that I'm ok with this crap (and I'm looking into a vpn now) but I hear they could already sell our data to whoever because they gutted Tom Wheeler's plan.
Senate Guts Privacy Rules. Will House Follow Suit?
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#62What a bunch of sell-out traitors. Is there no party that values privacy, individual liberty, or the constitution? I thought these "Senators" took an oath to protect the constitution. From the way they vote, it seems they never even read it!
(1) Don't bet on many of them understanding their vote. It was billed as a removal of an unfair restraint on the free market. (2) Oddly silent were folks like Google, Microsoft, etc. I fully expect to have to pay for privacy, or to have to choose whom I trust with my data: Comcast or Google. Its a shitty time for privacy, period.
I also don't fully understand this. Jumping in to see if someone can clarify.
Here's the text of the bill (it's pretty short): https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-joint-re...
It looks like all this does is undo an FCC rule from Dec 2, 2016. My understanding is that if this passes, our internet privacy will be the same as it was on Dec 1, 2016.
Am I wrong? Why is this so bad?
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#63I would have preferred them to vote the other way, but I'm trying to do a reality check here. Given that on HTTPS sites it's just the domain name + timestamp, and that more and more sites are transitioning to HTTPS, is the mere domain name and timestamp really that useful? I can imagine it being useful to know you order pizzas at 7pm Thursdays, but how useful is it actually to know you e.g. browse Amazon 2pm Mondays,…
You could tell a lot about me just based on domain names I frequent.
How much of it would be devastating if (1) your closest friends and/or family members found out? (2) more distant acquaintances found out? And how likely is it that each of those would happen under a data breach? (Since presumably most people don't go looking inside illegal data dumps trying to find out the most intimate secrets about their friends' or family members' life for no good reason.)
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think companies profiting on privacy is a bad thing, but how exactly is it unconstitutional?
It should be pretty clear that privacy against government agencies is protected by the Constitution. Of course our government ignores that and tramples all over the spirit of the Bill of Rights, if not the letter. As far as corporations? Not unconstitutional, but I don't think passing laws in the interest of the People's privacy against corporations would be unconstitutional either, so if our government had our best…
Well Smith v. Maryland, Third Party Doctrine, etc. holds that a warrant is not needed if you share data willingly with a third party. In this case, you give up your reasonable expectation of privacy. So... If you're sharing with Comcast, you're sharing with Uncle Sam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_doctrine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_v._Maryland
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I'm having a hard time imagining a compelling case that the lobbyists could present though. Are most of these representatives just willfully corrupt? I hate to vilify people unduly but it is becoming hard to understand the thought process here.
think of elected representatives as beholden to shareholders, rather than voters, and it might make more sense to you.
You can easily attribute it to laziness. They don't research a topic themselves so whoever makes the best presentation gets the vote. Usually that's lobbyists because they have more money and time and are hired as excellent communicators. Dinner invitations and paid flights in private jets help too.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
(1) Don't bet on many of them understanding their vote. It was billed as a removal of an unfair restraint on the free market. (2) Oddly silent were folks like Google, Microsoft, etc. I fully expect to have to pay for privacy, or to have to choose whom I trust with my data: Comcast or Google. Its a shitty time for privacy, period.
I also don't fully understand this. Jumping in to see if someone can clarify. Here's the text of the bill (it's pretty short): https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-joint-re... It looks like all this does is undo an FCC rule from Dec 2, 2016. My understanding is that if this passes, our internet privacy will be the same as it was on Dec 1, 2016. Am I wrong? Why is this so bad?
Worth reading this: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/03/three-myths-telecom-in... -- essentially, there was a court decision that moved privacy enforcement of ISPs from the FTC to the FCC. The FCC took up the mantle with the new rule. Now Congress is undoing the FCC regulation, ISP privacy won't be governed by either the FCC or the FTC.
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Let's give a few examples of information they could find about you: Visits nytimes.com, huffingtonpost.com and cnn.com: user is interested in current events and is probably liberal Visits webmd.com and kaiserpermanente.org: user is probably sick I'm sure you can extrapolate further. Now let's say I'm a gay person growing up in a conservative house and ads start popping up for all the family members on our shared IP f…
Okay thanks, let me try to dissect this a bit: 1. You fall in the category of, "What if find out private information XYZ about me, based on which domain names I visit? My life would be ruined." 2. You don't fall in that category. Group 1 has real fears. For some of them, even knowing whether they're home might be a life threat, and I understand that. But I don't imagine ISPs are fighting so hard just for the sake of…
For the record while I'm for protecting online consumer privacy, I'm not terrified of it being violated either. I was simply giving examples of how it might be problematic.
I work in ad tech, so as a matter of principle I don't have any ad or privacy blockers turned on. But even in my personal life I always keep my blinds open, I don't care if my neighbors see me living my personal life. I also keep all my Facebook posts public, etc.
But I realize that there are all kinds of situations I can and can't imagine where people need more privacy. My own life situation could even change such that I feel the need for more privacy. That's why I believe that people should by default have a right to privacy, but give it away only if they so chose.
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I'm having a hard time imagining a compelling case that the lobbyists could present though. Are most of these representatives just willfully corrupt? I hate to vilify people unduly but it is becoming hard to understand the thought process here.
> Are most of these representatives just willfully corrupt? Yes, but they prefer the terms "lobbying" and "campaign contributions". While theoretically they are concerned with their constituency so they can keep their job, the big problem with our system is the expense of running campaigns. While serving in congress, our representatives a massive amount of time is spent "dialing for dollars". The parties even require…
It's illegal for corporations to make campaign donations. McDonnell has nothing to do with that.
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Trying to get caught up on this. How big a difference is this to what Google and Facebook are doing currently?
While there are similar practices that Google and Facebook have (eg. tracking your activities outside of their website), this is much more problematic and sinister for a couple reasons: Access: Many people in this country do not have a choice as to which ISP they use. They are locked in due to anti-competitive practices, rural homes, or some other reason. You can make the choice much more easily not to use a certain…
Also, FB and Google are much more competent than your local ISP when it comes to security.
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#70Ok trump/republican supporters, please help me understand why this is a good thing.
You appear to be another victim of "divide and conquer", and like many of them, perpetuate it. Life is not as simple as you like to believe: Trump/republican supporters may not necessarily think this is a good thing.
/r/iamverysmart