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Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by kbart »

randomname2 wrote: post #9

Surprisingly a full 2.6% of Stack Overflow visitors identify as non male/female, of which a 0.5% transgender. Both numbers much higher than those for the general population. It would be interesting to see more information about this, looking forward to the follow-up article: "We will publish additional analysis related to respondents’ gender identities in the coming weeks."

That doesn't necessarily correlates to real life identities. I never post personal information if given choice not to, that includes as many "other" as there is.

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by mattbrewsbytes »

I think there is severe bias in their results simply because of the content in stack overflow and the people that visit.

For example, the data on a lot of developers only having 1-3 years of programming experience. That would naturally follow that a majority of active users on a Q&A site would not have much experience, right?

Same can be said for data about what technologies are represented - JavaScript was at the top of "Most Popular Technologies". There is a lot of churn in JS frameworks... which probably leads to a lot of questions for inexperienced programmers... which would visit the site more frequently.

There definitely are some good results in there - I would just take anything regarding popularity with a grain of salt. I also suspect the population of people taking the survey don't fully represent all software developers equally. People that are in a stable role using "unpopular" or proprietary technology have no use for stack overflow.

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by tom_b »

provemewrong wrote: post #10

Some observations. Wouldn't have thought of built-in help as a popular (47.1%) way of teaching yourself. Oracle usage only 16.5%, but I guess it makes sense considering the web developer proportion. CoffeeScript as the third most dreaded language, behind only two instances of Visual Basic. But reading the definition of "dreaded" in makes more sense. Sharepoint as the most dreaded platform, ha ha, no surprise there. C…

Re: Clojure - something seems off with Clojure not being in any of the sub-regions at all.

I also noticed that Java is not in the world-wide list and yet is in all the sub-regions.

Given that the JVM is such a big part of the Clojure ecosystem, I want to dig into the data once they make it available. I'm totally willing to believe that developers with Clojure skills are in a high-salary bucket, but I'm a little suspicious of what they are showing here.

BTW, for some years I chased specific languages as the cause of the high earnings. I believe this is much less true than I originally assumed . . .

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by Svenskunganka »

raarts wrote: post #47
yulaow wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Outside of US, very few people use macs compared to you. Here in euw even in a CS course, engineering class in a top university or hackathon in a big startup incubator I can see like 1 macbook every 30 standard notebooks. Reason is simple: they are very overpriced for ours salaries (and I am in a first world country, I think their costs are prohibitive in places like India/Cina/etc) and - personal reason - as a webde…

Apple pretty much dominates the startup scene in the NL as far as I can tell.

I would say the startup scene represents a very small portion of professional programmers.

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by m0sa »

ljw1001 wrote: post #42

I found it fascinating that Smalltalk was #2 as most loved language in spite of its minimal use. Many of the ideas developed for Smalltalk are now commonplace, so I'm guessing that it's the careful integration of those ideas that makes it special. It is my favorite language, btw. :)

Probably because it (still) pays so well? [1]

[1]: http://stackoverflow.com/insights/survey/2017/#work-salary-a...

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by eddd »

How is it possible that

"When we asked respondents what they valued most when considering a new job, 53.3% said remote options were a top priority. A majority of developers, 63.9%, reported working remotely at least one day a month, and 11.1% say they’re full-time remote or almost all the time."

And only a few percent of companies hires remote?

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by amelius »

Some things that stand out:

- The "web" is not a platform?

- France pays $10k less than Germany? US pays twice that of Europe?

- People who work for a small company usually have many roles, so asking people to pick their role in a single-choice way seems not right.

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by wyldfire »

eddd wrote: post #67

How is it possible that "When we asked respondents what they valued most when considering a new job, 53.3% said remote options were a top priority. A majority of developers, 63.9%, reported working remotely at least one day a month, and 11.1% say they’re full-time remote or almost all the time." And only a few percent of companies hires remote?

The most likely explanation is that the distribution sampled doesn't match the distribution from which you drew "only a few percent of companies hires remote".

But it's also possible that people have different opinions on what "almost all the time" means.

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