...or maybe someone is trying to defame Erdogan by associating Erdogan with Nazi?
As if Erdogan needs to be defamed... He's doing a fine job all on his own.
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
The PM never banned protests AFAIK. This was the decision of local and state governments and was done because in the past similar protests became impossible to control. It's fair enough to allow protests about Dutch policies but a whole different story when it is purely about an internal Turkish issue. You can't blame the Dutch for not rolling out the red carpet especially so close to an election.
It is a disaster in terms of democratic values to block a Minister 30 meters away from the Consulate and send her back. And no, nobody believes in the security argument. This move helped the right wing in both countries for the coming elections.
>It is a disaster in terms of democratic values to block a Minister 30 meters away from the Consulate and send her back.
A minister of the Turkish government is not entitled to campaign in the Netherlands. She was asked not to do so, yet the consulate arranged for a rally and she attepmted to address that rally. She was therefore escorted out of the country as she abused her privelege of being there.
It's not as if a Dutch politician were blocked from campaigning a pro-Turkish message; this is about a member of a foreign government campaigning to Dutch citizens in the Netherlands (ironically campaigning for the furtherance of a regime which is increasingly undemocratic).
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#63Someone is very interested in pushing people towards far right pro-kremlim parties in Europe right before elections..
Anti-Globalist =/= "pro-kremlin" [sic].
It's curious to me that anti-globalism in the west is so often supportive of authoriatirian rulers and religious extremists elsewhere. It's not as if there's any inconsistency in denouncing Trump, Putin, and Erdogan in one breath. Reminds me of European Communists like Sartre that campaigned for equality in the west while refusing to acknowledge the horrors of Stalin's rule.
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Putting oil on the fire is a core part of Erdoğan's strategy. He's afraid that not enough Turks will vote in a couple weeks for the constitutional reform that will establish himself as dictator for life, so he has been trying to stoke nationalist resentment against EU countries for the last months, so that when they respond to his provocations he can represent himself as defender of the Turkish nation from outside at…
Of all the governments in the world today, I am most impressed by Merkel's Germany. She has remarkable ability to stand strong in the face of criticism and do what's right without bowing to populism.
There's a great profile that shows she's a sleuth politican, despite appearances of being a "Let's wait and see" sort of person. http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/01/31/angela-merkel-has-a-play...
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
As an aside, I wonder what the history books will say about our time in 100 years or so. It's interesting to think that we are all a part, no matter how large or small, of history in the making. For better or worse.
I'm gambling on "The Oil Age". Political strife will be placed in the context of petroleum geopolitics, energy sectors, climate change, and what will be dubbed "The first migration" (if ocean levels rise as some predict, there will be a second migration for 10% of global population [1]) You can wrap, among other things, the 70's OPEC wars, 79 Iranian revolution, 9/11 and the rise of Trump in a nice tiny bow and creat…
When I was in combat training (U.S., mid 2000s), a corporal who was teaching a munitions class one day started pointing to things and listing off random objects. Clothes, chairs, computer, projector, weapon lubricant, etc. He asked what all of these had in common. The answer was that they all contain petroleum derivatives. And that's why we go, he said. The 18-year-old idiot me didn't understand, so that night I went into my Green Monster (didn't have internet) and started reading about recent U.S. military involvement. It culminated in a rather dramatic mental image of Iraqi forces retreating through Kuwait and burning hundreds and hundreds of oil wells as they went. I was still very confused, but I was overcome with a sharp feeling that I was a pawn in a game being played by gods I couldn't see or hear or meet or understand, a game that had been going on since before I was born. I became depressed and cursed my father for not teaching me anything at all useful about the world.
I don't know why I wrote all of that. Maybe just to say that I'm sorry for my part in all of this bullshit.
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Why 1848?
Very important year for Europe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_of_1848 (My American education completely ignored it)
In italian there is even a surviving expression "è successo un '48" (a 48 happened) that means "everything got messed up/ things got crazy".
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's also a highly contentious Netherlands elections today[1] and there was a swift escalation in Turkish-Dutch politics yesterday[2]. [1] http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/15/europe/netherlands-election-po... [2] http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2017/03/turkey-suspend...
As an aside, I wonder what the history books will say about our time in 100 years or so. It's interesting to think that we are all a part, no matter how large or small, of history in the making. For better or worse.
To paraphrase in a marxist kind of way, I am pretty sure the delta between "to everybody according to their need, from everyone according to their ability" has never been greater. This may be kind of off topic, but while SV likes to talk about being a meritocracy, and corporate earnings and productivity for each engineer working here are staggering, the reality is that the tools SV is creating are not helping things enough. While FB and Google and Uber might be solving some interesting problems, I would tend to say that there are a lot of very talented people here whose talents could be better spent. While engineering is great, what about running for public office? It is clear those roles are not attracting the kind of people we actually want in them.
I see that as a symptom of how futile most public office has become. Maybe term-limits would help, maybe other things would. If we want to fix the problem though, I think the answer starts with the candidates, not just trying to re-engineer a system to persist in spite of all apparent efforts to subvert it. I guess we can all watch, though.
//kind of off topic, but I felt like this was the place to say it.
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
As an aside, I wonder what the history books will say about our time in 100 years or so. It's interesting to think that we are all a part, no matter how large or small, of history in the making. For better or worse.
> what the history books will say about our time in 100 years or so The history books will be written by the victors. What the history says will depend hugely on whether we have free informational continuity between now and then or a massive legal/totalitarian/military/nuclear/catastrophic "wipe" destroying that. (Less dramatically, this is obviously the era when intelligence agencies are fighting and the internet is…
History is written within the perspective of the writers and benign things constantly drive revisionism. It's often to support a mythical narrative and provide some kind of cohesive abstract framework to justify policy positions and a depiction of an austere past.
For instance, free speech, as we know it, really came around WW1-era and was due to people like Learned Hand convincing Oliver Wendell Holmes. But since then, history has been seemingly rewritten to make it look like it was part of the revolutionary war.
There's plenty of other things ... non-citizens could vote up to 1926. The "American Dream" was coined in 1931 and was essentially backdated to colonial times, etc.
Accurate realities will bunch the pants of essentially everyone regardless of politics. One could argue being openly gay, for instance, in the 1800s was not seen as insufferable. James Buchanan, the 15th president, lived with a man and was referred to by terms that were contemporary to homosexual. I've done fairly extensive private research and can't find it being a controversial thing during his campaign, even though this was a well known fact (I've meant to do some more microfish reading at the library about it). See, there I go messing up the narrative of progressivism and civil rights. Sorry.
The guy after him, Lincoln, was seen so unfavorably at the time that he won the popular vote in 1864 by only 10% - this was after everyone who disliked him had ostensibly already left. You think he'd be a landslide in the remaining states.
There's a narrative of a cordial press during FDR being too polite to take photographs of the man in a wheelchair. Nope, the secret service would confiscate your camera, possibly strip you of press privileges and destroy your film. Kinda like a repressive state.
This isn't the tropish "victors write the history" - this is a more nuanced instance of people framing benign things to support a narrative arc and defend a lensing through the politics of storytelling. The deviations, far-reaching connections, and omissions, can often reveal preferences on what the underlying culture of the author would prefer them to see and can be as revealing as the text itself.
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
Putting oil on the fire is a core part of Erdoğan's strategy. He's afraid that not enough Turks will vote in a couple weeks for the constitutional reform that will establish himself as dictator for life, so he has been trying to stoke nationalist resentment against EU countries for the last months, so that when they respond to his provocations he can represent himself as defender of the Turkish nation from outside at…
Of all the governments in the world today, I am most impressed by Merkel's Germany. She has remarkable ability to stand strong in the face of criticism and do what's right without bowing to populism.
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's also a highly contentious Netherlands elections today[1] and there was a swift escalation in Turkish-Dutch politics yesterday[2]. [1] http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/15/europe/netherlands-election-po... [2] http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2017/03/turkey-suspend...
As an aside, I wonder what the history books will say about our time in 100 years or so. It's interesting to think that we are all a part, no matter how large or small, of history in the making. For better or worse.
Quite so; the 'Great Game' of empires is most definitely back on. My take on this is that Putin is rather masterfully playing the Dutch Nativists and the Turkish autocrats against the social-liberal middle. Having the Turkish President denouncing the Dutch and Germans as nazis while also feeding the nationalist fantasies of Wilders and the various proto-fascist parties around Europe must be pretty entertaining for him; I bet he laughs himself to sleep every night.