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As obesity keeps rising, more Americans are just giving up

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Re: As obesity keeps rising, more Americans are just giving up

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I think as a society it is pretty clear that we do not know the secret to not being obese. I can't count how many times a day I am bombarded with messages telling me to eat junk food, that it's fine, it's fun. People do not live in a vacuum and can't be judged too harshly for choosing the options that society has worked very hard to place in front of them and promote. It's simple psychology that when faced with sizes…

The secret is eat less calories than you burn. What are you talking about?

And yet knowing that doesn't solve obesity at a societal level. How do you actually get enough people to do that? We have no idea.

Re: As obesity keeps rising, more Americans are just giving up

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> Replicated by other studies, that research helps explain the discouraging finding that within five years of having lost weight, 95% of dieters will regain all the weight they lost. And most will gain a few extra pounds as well. I'm part of that privileged 5%. I lost around 60 pounds in 2009-2010 and I've kept it off. It really is a lifestyle change. You have to be constantly aware of the portions you choose and rem…

Do you still have to actively manage your calorie intake?

My wife lost about 70lbs and has kept it off for over three years. She is a fitness nut now (bar and ring muscle ups, handstand walks and handstand pushups, olympic lifting...). It is constant battle for her to manage her calorie and macro nutrient intake.

Re: As obesity keeps rising, more Americans are just giving up

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I haven't really paid attention to men's physiques, but there's a stark difference between the silhouettes of women in many cities of Europe and those in even the most "superficial" US states such as California. I know the PC police will eat me for lunch for saying this, but the dating pool, at least in the 20s and 30s range, shrinks considerably in the US for anybody used to European body image standards. Whatever's…

No, it's the individual's fault. I was severely overweight a year ago and lost 80lb doing nothing other than eating healthy, exercising, and...being patient. The deferment of responsibility and lack of self-control is the problem. Of course, companies–and more specifically, their marketing teams/firms–know people are weak-minded and as a result, can more or less control people's habits (read: greed outweighs public c…

The point is that until this last century the average human didn't have to obsess over this stuff as much as we do now. No keto, no HIIT, no fitness trackers, no low carb, no leptin management.

You ate what you could get your hands on and you mostly stayed in pretty average shape because food wasn't that stimulating, that heavily processed, heavily advertised, and you have to be a lot more mobile than you are today. Humans didn't evolve to have to count calories, no animal in nature does it or is capable of doing that effectively.

Re: As obesity keeps rising, more Americans are just giving up

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Losing a significant amount of weight and keeping it off is difficult but possible. My brother and I both did it, but in very different ways.

Personally, I maxed out at a BMI of 34. I lost about 70 pounds, got back into the normal BMI range, and have stayed there for about a decade now. I changed my diet, changed my physical activities, and changed a lot of habits and modes of thinking. That last one is perhaps most important of all. For example, as kids, we were taught not to waste food, and that meant eating everything there was. Well, cleaning your plate (and the pot) isn't going to put food on the plates of starving children. Whether you eat it or not, the waste happened at the supermarket when you bought too much food!

My brother saw me losing weight and wanted to do it too, so I tried to help him. He hated the food I was now eating. He didn't want to work out. He didn't want to change the way he thought. Instead, he got a lot fatter and, eventually, a sleeve gastrectomy. He's not in the normal BMI range yet, but he's been making steady progress and it's not optional for him. He literally can't eat enough to stay fat. His stomach is now tiny and fills up rather quickly. The prep for the surgery was harsh, and included a brutal, several week long crash diet. The surgery itself went off without a hitch, but he still had to recover on a morphine drip. I have no idea what kind of pain that involves, but it can't be pleasant. Bottom line, he thought he was choosing the easy way at the time, but we now both know it was the hard way. Harder by far. I got healthy. He inflicted a disability on himself that has the side-effect of losing weight. He still isn't active and, not surprisingly, has terrible energy levels.

After both our experiences, I can reasonably say the media does a terrible job of helping people. It tells them about healthy things to eat, but never mentions these things are only healthy if you eat them instead of your usual fare, and in appropriate amounts. It tells people they need to be ripped, cross-fitting gym-bunnies to be fit, when doing just about anything besides sitting on your butt will be an improvement for many people. Finding a physical activity you can enjoy is far more important than being ripped. Above all, it rarely attempts to help people change the way they think, which is the key to making permanent changes.

TL;DR: If I had to offer one piece of advice to those wishing to lose weight and become more active, it would be to ignore all the crap articles out there on diet fads and gym-crazes and pay some attention to how you think about food and activity. Change how you think, and everything else will come as a consequence of that change.

Re: As obesity keeps rising, more Americans are just giving up

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Until this is treated like the public epidemic it is, and promote education, this will only get worse. Calories in - calories out = fat accumulation. It is literally that simple.

> Calories in - calories out = fat accumulation. It is literally that simple.

That is a gross oversimplification. Countless people, including myself, on ketogenic diets can attest to that.

Re: As obesity keeps rising, more Americans are just giving up

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That's one of the things you really have to accept if you want to lose weight - yes you will have to eat less, and yes you will feel hungry a lot.

I do not want to sound like I am arguing with you for the sake of arguing, but I have lost weight and several of my friends and family have lost weight without feeling hungry by switching to a low carb (ketogenic) diet. It was so crazy to eat mostly fatty food and green vegetables and lose weight very quickly. One major thing I noticed was how much longer I was able to go without eating on this diet without feeling h…

This matches my experience as well. The transition period (~1.5 weeks, but especially brutal on days 2-5) was rough, but once established, it was the easiest diet to stay on if you could control your environment and mostly cook for yourself or choose where to eat.

It is somewhat harder to stay on the diet while traveling, attending conferences, or business meetings. Having a host choose a place to eat, offer you local cuisine, etc makes it harder to stay in keto. Hunger though, was never a problem after the first full week.

Re: As obesity keeps rising, more Americans are just giving up

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Our culture has acquired a lot of poor health habits that are seemingly inescapable, depending on your socioeconomic background:

* Most industrial food products are adulterated with dairy, sugar, or both

* Industrial food is also cheap and widespread. It takes dedication to avoid it or restrict its impact: At parties, the default non-alcoholic beverage is sugar water, and the default food is pizza

* "Sleep is for the weak" is an oft-repeated, sometimes praised meme

* Driving everywhere is expected in many cities. In some neighborhoods, "taking a walk" is looked upon with suspicion

* Most jobs now are low on physical intensity, while work hours and work-related stress remain high

* The most popular recreations involve "screen time"

* Fitness is polluted with snake oil, "bro science" superstition, and image-driven advice; exercise and training itself as a form of character-building is viewed derisively

* Diet advice is similarly polluted with snake oil and superstition. Commerce drives the market, leading to quick-fix bandaids that promise a temporary change followed by a return to the original (unhealthy) habit

Lots of people are stuck in this scenario, because it takes uncommon dedication and some financial freedom to break with the culture and build a lifestyle of your own design. When their health fails we all pay the price.

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At what point do people take responsibility for their own bodies and their own lives? We all know the secret to not being obese. Asking the government to step in and help us just seems... childish. Are we not adults? Do we have no agency?

Do we all know? I currently weigh 270lbs (and climbing) and I * Don't consume soda or sugary drinks of any kind * Go on 3 mile walks 3-4x weekly * Have switched to soylent 100% of meals to make calorie counting dead simple * Recently cut out alcohol too And yet pounds are adding on not coming off. I've been gaining about 10-15lbs a year every year since I hit 30 after being at a stable weight of 170lbs for all of my…

Well, are you calorie counting and have been for a while? If you are not losing over a span of months, you are probably not burning as much as you estimate to do.

Re: As obesity keeps rising, more Americans are just giving up

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It honestly is pretty simple, self-control and discipline. I lost 75lbs over the last year. I was at my high weight (250) for over 8 years. I finally just gave up almost all "sugary" things, which was the most difficult part, I didn't realize I was so addicted. I ate much less calories than I used to. I started exercising regularly, not too much at first, but eased myself into it. After 4 months, and a significant weight loss, I stepped up my calorie intake a bit and then started exercising more vigorously. Currently I go through periods of eating a lot, and then eating very little. My weight continues to go down. It really is simple, if you can get over the feelings of "severe hunger" for the first few months you can shrink your stomach. I hardly get hungry anymore, and have been trying to eat more recently to get my stomach a bit bigger so I don't lose too much. It's just willpower and dedication. Companies are to blame for making it easy to eat unhealthy, but I feel healthier than I ever did just by cooking my own meals and eating a reasonable amount.

Re: As obesity keeps rising, more Americans are just giving up

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At what point do people take responsibility for their own bodies and their own lives? We all know the secret to not being obese. Asking the government to step in and help us just seems... childish. Are we not adults? Do we have no agency?

Do we all know? I currently weigh 270lbs (and climbing) and I * Don't consume soda or sugary drinks of any kind * Go on 3 mile walks 3-4x weekly * Have switched to soylent 100% of meals to make calorie counting dead simple * Recently cut out alcohol too And yet pounds are adding on not coming off. I've been gaining about 10-15lbs a year every year since I hit 30 after being at a stable weight of 170lbs for all of my…

Perhaps unfortunately, the human body cannot ignore physics - weight gain does ultimately come down to "you are consuming more calories than you are expending"!

You're right that "eat less, fatty" is not a helpful message. That's actually the key point in these discussions - we do know how to avoid weight gain in the abstract sense (consume less than you burn), but the implementation of that is what's difficult. Different foods have different effects on metabolism; it's difficult to count calories accurately; people often overestimate the calories that exercise burns and underestimate their consumption. It's made more difficult by sedentary lifestyles, prepared foods, and so on.

If you are gaining a pound a month consuming nothing but soylent, then you're consuming too much of it. There's no way around that fact. But the point is that it's not a failing on your part - it just demonstrates how difficult it is in practice to control one's own lifestyle.

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