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John Gruber's Post-I/O Thoughts

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Re: John Gruber's Post-I/O Thoughts

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Post by Tichy »

Maktab wrote: post #59
Tichy wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How long will people keep on buying MP3 players? Eventually, phones will be good enough to replace them 100% Also, will iPhone OS 4 be available for iPod Touch? I rather doubt it?

Apple have already stated that iPhone OS 4 will be available for the iPod touch, though only the third-generation touch will get multitasking. I'm not sure why you would have doubted it. How would it have made sense for Apple to exclude it from the new software release?

I have heard that they exclude the oldest iPhone from OS 4, and I thought iPod Touch would be on the same technical level as the oldest iPhones.

Why does Apple exclude the old iPhones?

Re: John Gruber's Post-I/O Thoughts

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Post by riobard »

dave1619 wrote: post #53
czhiddy wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flash could run at 100% native app speeds with no battery hit and Apple still wouldn't support it. Why? It's not part of their overall plan to give Adobe power over the platform. So no, Apple doesn't need to (and won't) reconsider their position on Flash.

Why couldn't Apple let flash play in the browser but just not allow flash apps into the Appstore? I think users wouldn't mind that.

Then people would build Flash apps and just run it in browser and bypass App Store all together. If that happens, not only does Apple give the control to Adobe (and have to rely on Adobe to support iPhone Flash plugin, which is absolutely not what Apple wants), it also loses the benefits of charging 30% of the revenue if the apps would have been sold in App Store.

It's worst situation for Apple.

Re: John Gruber's Post-I/O Thoughts

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Post by timr »

ssp wrote: post #21
mechanical_fish wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps Ballmer did get the right answer, after all. But was he asking the right question?

Gruber is right about Microsoft failing at phones and that there is not much they can do about it. However, I don't think Ballmer is in denial about that. It was and is obvious that at some point all phones will be what we call smartphones now. I think Ballmer's point is that even when that happens, the iPhone will not be able to sustain its 16%. It will still have insignificant market share. Android will not, though…

"I think Ballmer asked the right question and got the right answer. He just doesn't have any way to respond to Android."

Of course he does: he can give away the new smartphone OS. It's not as if Microsoft has never given away software to win market share.

Re: John Gruber's Post-I/O Thoughts

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Post by fierarul »

armandososa wrote: post #34
kenshi wrote: post #20

It's not just Microsoft who seem to be out of the game so to speak. What's going on with Nokia? It's taking them forever to come up with a device and/or platform that seems like a credible competitor to Android and iPhone OS.

And that makes me somewhat sad. I've been a user of Nokia for 10 years and I allways loved those devices. When I purchased my last phone, 1.5 years ago, I gave them a vote of confidence and got an E71 instead of an iPhone. I regret it every day. Stupid E71.

Yeah, I've also got an E71 instead and don't like it.

I also dislike how Nokia basically left the phone (or the OS) unsupported and they are now targeting the big-screen iPhone-clones. Nice move there.

I suppose it's no need to tell you how broken their Ovi "market" app is...

Re: John Gruber's Post-I/O Thoughts

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Post by apphacker »

endtime wrote: post #44
TomOfTTB wrote: post #4

His points on Microsoft are well made. Given the strategic importance of this market it amazes me how badly they've done. Realize they beat Apple to market by around 4 years (depending on how you count the PocketPC/Phone hybrids) and Google by almost 5 . Now they've tossed the whole thing out and started over with a product that won't be out for another 6 months and in terms of features seems to be equivalent to a fi…

Maybe I'm less anti-Microsoft than most (disclaimer: I worked there for a summer), but since WPS7 will be out before my current iPhone/AT&T contract ends, my plan is to switch to a Windows phone. I think the UI looks great (though practical usability is still in question), and I've always preferred Outlook to Gmail. My main gripe would be using an IE7-based browser, but as long as I can install Opera Mobile that shou…

Opera Mini is a great app for reading news and such, but as your main browser? It doesn't execute 99% of JavaScript. You can't load any smartphone targeted websites with your smartphone. Not very smart.

Re: John Gruber's Post-I/O Thoughts

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Post by barrkel »

jackowayed wrote: post #16
symesc wrote: post #11

His footnote is interesting: "Although there’s still no decent Android-based equivalent to the iPod Touch." He's right. Based on price, there is no equivalent. On features, the equivalent is a Google Nexus One without a SIM card. Trouble is, that's about to not be available from Google directly. I'm wondering whether we'll be able to buy an N1 without a contract ever again. Disclosure: I bought an N1 directly from Go…

But the N1 isn't even a very good substitute. Although people who buy iTouches love all the apps and the ability to browse the web whenever they have WiFi, in the end, they're buying an mp3 player. They're buying it so that they can listen to music. Not only is the N1 much more expensive, but it also has a much worse music-playing interface. Until someone fixes the Android music player or writes their own (luckily, a…

My iPod touch is most often used as a remote control for media player classic on my PC. I still use my nano for music though. Click wheel is much more usable and device is much smaller and lighter.

Re: John Gruber's Post-I/O Thoughts

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Post by troystribling »

frederickcook wrote: post #14
TomOfTTB wrote: post #4

His points on Microsoft are well made. Given the strategic importance of this market it amazes me how badly they've done. Realize they beat Apple to market by around 4 years (depending on how you count the PocketPC/Phone hybrids) and Google by almost 5 . Now they've tossed the whole thing out and started over with a product that won't be out for another 6 months and in terms of features seems to be equivalent to a fi…

In the PC market, Apple competes on quality, Microsoft (with hardware manufacturers) competes on price. This is the world Ballmer imagined for the smartphone market, but when Google knocked the floor out by giving away the OS (or even paying the carrier a cut of the search revenue), there is no place left for Microsoft to position itself. Unless Windows Mobile is a vastly superior product to Android (and how likely i…

If Microsoft goes after RIM and leverages their enterprise footprint they could quickly become viable. If they compete in the consumer market with Apple and Google they are toast.

Re: John Gruber's Post-I/O Thoughts

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Post by Psyonic »

andreyf wrote: post #36

Take the current URL from your PC web browser and push it to your device, over the air. If it’s a web page, it’ll open in the Android web browser; if it’s a Google Maps URL, it’ll open in the Android Maps app. Meaning that now, not only can spyware pop up porn on my parents' home computer, it can also push porn to my kid sister's cell phone? Ditto for apps... I imagine spyware is a thing of the past for most Googlers…

Won't anyone think of the CHILDREN!?

Re: John Gruber's Post-I/O Thoughts

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Post by cakesy »

frederickcook wrote: post #14
TomOfTTB wrote: post #4

His points on Microsoft are well made. Given the strategic importance of this market it amazes me how badly they've done. Realize they beat Apple to market by around 4 years (depending on how you count the PocketPC/Phone hybrids) and Google by almost 5 . Now they've tossed the whole thing out and started over with a product that won't be out for another 6 months and in terms of features seems to be equivalent to a fi…

In the PC market, Apple competes on quality, Microsoft (with hardware manufacturers) competes on price. This is the world Ballmer imagined for the smartphone market, but when Google knocked the floor out by giving away the OS (or even paying the carrier a cut of the search revenue), there is no place left for Microsoft to position itself. Unless Windows Mobile is a vastly superior product to Android (and how likely i…

Reminds me of when Microsoft started to give away its browser, thus dooming Netscape. You used to have to pay for browsers in the old days.

I can't see MS coming back form this, they will be another Palm WebOS, with maybe more backing (MS is still a big name).

Do we have room for iPhone, Android, BB, Palm WebOS, Windows Mobile, Nokia?? no.

Re: John Gruber's Post-I/O Thoughts

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Post by TomOfTTB »

troystribling wrote: post #67
frederickcook wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the PC market, Apple competes on quality, Microsoft (with hardware manufacturers) competes on price. This is the world Ballmer imagined for the smartphone market, but when Google knocked the floor out by giving away the OS (or even paying the carrier a cut of the search revenue), there is no place left for Microsoft to position itself. Unless Windows Mobile is a vastly superior product to Android (and how likely i…

If Microsoft goes after RIM and leverages their enterprise footprint they could quickly become viable. If they compete in the consumer market with Apple and Google they are toast.

I'm not sure that's true. The Google I/O conference made a pretty compelling case for Android's Enterprise chops and Microsoft has (ironically) backed itself into a corner by making Exchange and other servers open to non-Microsoft clients.

As someone who runs an enterprise's It dept. I'm not sure I can see Enterprise features that Microsoft could compete on (Security, Exchange Support and Remote Wipe are my real concerns and all seem to be covered by Froyo)

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