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Why Is Cancer More Common in Men?

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Re: Why Is Cancer More Common in Men?

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Does anyone know how the X-inactivation thing works with the popular explanation for why women are less likely to be color-blind than men (ie: They have two copies of the gene for sensitivity to light of that wavelength, so both copies must be mutated in order to be insensitive)?

I'll take a hack:

1. Imagine the retina as a field of neurons that are receptive to light. Imagine different types of neurons are sensitive to different types of light (RGB). Each person has two copies (or alleles) of the R, G, and B genes. The R & G genes are on the X-chromosome.

2. In a color-blind person, the R & G genes merge to form a R-G allele that is sensitive to some red-green combination. Thus, men who carry this R-G gene have cells that express B and R-G genes and thus are red-green colorblind (they can't distiguish between the two because they only have one type of receptor for the two). Remember they only have one copy of these R and G genes.

3. Women might carry the R-G allele, but in those cases their retina as a whole display R, G, B, and R-G. These people are known as heterochromats can can distinguish colors better than normal people. Note that X-inactivation leads to cells even having R-G allele, or R or G gene.

4. It's rare for a woman to have two R-G alleles. When they do, they are red-green colorblind.

Re: Why Is Cancer More Common in Men?

#62

So is the second X chromosome in women supposed to be an exact copy of the first or do they differ? That's fascinating to me all by itself, and more so that some genes in the dupe can reinforce the first even though the rest of the chromosome is suppressed. EDIT: Ah, wikipedia explains that the two X chromosomes in a standard-issue woman come from the mother and paternal grandmother, and then ... "Early in embryonic…

> It seems to me that it can only accumulate errors and mutations. Except some of those mutations can be useful – some deadly, but some could be selected for as one's environment/niche shifts. That's evolution and selection in a nutshell. Not all mutations are bad and not all bad mutations are always bad.

Yes, truly over the long haul, the fittest survive - helpful mutations account for all survival thus far.

I just envy what I interpret as an intragenerational bolstering of genetic traits that females have, assuming the EXITS thing is truly what's going on. They don't have to wait a generation to perhaps select out the bad, they get to do it on the fly.

Re: Why Is Cancer More Common in Men?

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post #61

Does anyone know how the X-inactivation thing works with the popular explanation for why women are less likely to be color-blind than men (ie: They have two copies of the gene for sensitivity to light of that wavelength, so both copies must be mutated in order to be insensitive)?

I'll take a hack: 1. Imagine the retina as a field of neurons that are receptive to light. Imagine different types of neurons are sensitive to different types of light (RGB). Each person has two copies (or alleles) of the R, G, and B genes. The R & G genes are on the X-chromosome. 2. In a color-blind person, the R & G genes merge to form a R-G allele that is sensitive to some red-green combination. Thus, men who carr…

In (3), are you describing what I've sometimes heard called tetrachromat? Is that now confidently considered extant? Last I'd heard, it was an exciting, but only slightly substantiated, theory, but I'd love to see more about it!

Re: Why Is Cancer More Common in Men?

#65

So is the second X chromosome in women supposed to be an exact copy of the first or do they differ? That's fascinating to me all by itself, and more so that some genes in the dupe can reinforce the first even though the rest of the chromosome is suppressed. EDIT: Ah, wikipedia explains that the two X chromosomes in a standard-issue woman come from the mother and paternal grandmother, and then ... "Early in embryonic…

This is why all calico cats are female. Fur color comes from the X chromosome. The different color areas are descendant from different initial somatic cells.

Re: Why Is Cancer More Common in Men?

#66

So is the second X chromosome in women supposed to be an exact copy of the first or do they differ? That's fascinating to me all by itself, and more so that some genes in the dupe can reinforce the first even though the rest of the chromosome is suppressed. EDIT: Ah, wikipedia explains that the two X chromosomes in a standard-issue woman come from the mother and paternal grandmother, and then ... "Early in embryonic…

Which is why human engage in mate selection and are great at multiplying. Plus innate abity to advance technology. We'll engineer ourselves to survive. Or nuke everything, whichever comes first. Heh. Edit: not to knock off the downvotes, if they're due, they're due. But may I enquire as to why I am being downvoted?

I didn't downvote you, but I think it's pretty obvious:

> Or nuke everything, whichever comes first. Heh.

is the why. Casual amusement at nuclear holocaust/extinction doesn't tend to get a lot of upvotes on HN.

Plus, it didn't make any sense: 1) a nuclear war wouldn't involve nuking everything under any plausible scenario; 2) you could direct every nuclear missile on earth at just the US (including the US arsenal) and still not manage to kill all the people in the US with either the initial blasts or the fallout, which is another way of saying that not only can we not nuke everything, but we couldn't even eradicate ourselves with nuclear war if we wanted to for some reason (much less wipe out the planet, much less wipe out all of humanity, that's all beyond far-fetched).

Re: Why Is Cancer More Common in Men?

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll take a hack: 1. Imagine the retina as a field of neurons that are receptive to light. Imagine different types of neurons are sensitive to different types of light (RGB). Each person has two copies (or alleles) of the R, G, and B genes. The R & G genes are on the X-chromosome. 2. In a color-blind person, the R & G genes merge to form a R-G allele that is sensitive to some red-green combination. Thus, men who carr…

In (3), are you describing what I've sometimes heard called tetrachromat? Is that now confidently considered extant? Last I'd heard, it was an exciting, but only slightly substantiated, theory, but I'd love to see more about it!

Yes, I think you are right. I thought I remember it being heterochromat, but looking online all references seem to be to tetrachromat. In terms of evidence, I think prevalence is there, but there were some papers where they actually tested color perception differences (at least from wikipedia).

Re: Why Is Cancer More Common in Men?

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post #65

So is the second X chromosome in women supposed to be an exact copy of the first or do they differ? That's fascinating to me all by itself, and more so that some genes in the dupe can reinforce the first even though the rest of the chromosome is suppressed. EDIT: Ah, wikipedia explains that the two X chromosomes in a standard-issue woman come from the mother and paternal grandmother, and then ... "Early in embryonic…

This is why all calico cats are female. Fur color comes from the X chromosome. The different color areas are descendant from different initial somatic cells.

Incorrect, male calicos exist. Though they are sterile due to the extra X chromosome.

http://www.mnn.com/family/pets/stories/why-are-male-calico-c...

Re: Why Is Cancer More Common in Men?

#69

So is the second X chromosome in women supposed to be an exact copy of the first or do they differ? That's fascinating to me all by itself, and more so that some genes in the dupe can reinforce the first even though the rest of the chromosome is suppressed. EDIT: Ah, wikipedia explains that the two X chromosomes in a standard-issue woman come from the mother and paternal grandmother, and then ... "Early in embryonic…

> It seems to me that it can only accumulate errors and mutations. Except some of those mutations can be useful – some deadly, but some could be selected for as one's environment/niche shifts. That's evolution and selection in a nutshell. Not all mutations are bad and not all bad mutations are always bad.

As a parent of a daughter with Fragile X Syndrome, I'm glad she has two X chromosomes. The "good" one in her case helps reduce the severity of her symptoms. Males with the Syndrome face far more difficulties as their lone X chromosome is the one with the mutations.

Re: Why Is Cancer More Common in Men?

#70
I immediately guessed that this would be the explanation before reading the article. An important corollary hypothesis (that would exclude things like androgen effects) would be to do a statistical analysis on XY-women and see if they have similar cancer rates as men.
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