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The Mark Zuckerberg Manifesto Is a Blueprint for Destroying Journalism

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Re: The Mark Zuckerberg Manifesto Is a Blueprint for Destroying Journalism

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Post by uabstraction »

ww520 wrote: post #48

MSM are losing the status as the gatekeepers of dispensing news, boohoo. They have done that to themselves.

While the traditional media has been asleep at the wheel for a long time now, I find myself incredibly worried at this juncture. Social media prevails over traditional media if - and only if - the system is not being abused. Unfortunately, it appears that social media is being manipulated in massive, shocking, unprecedented ways, which is why I believe Zuckerburg is going on his save the world campaign. The idiot opened Pandora's box[1], and now social media has become the instrument of data-driven electioneering and reactive targeted propaganda campaigns.

We have hit a paradox in news publication. If we let everyone disseminate the news, we end up with Lord of the Flies esque cults surrounding every rumor. If we only allowed figures of authority to disseminate the news, we'll never know if a story was intentionally buried or misrepresented. There's no easy answer here. This is human nature.

[1] https://www.scout.ai/story/the-rise-of-the-weaponized-ai-pro...

Re: The Mark Zuckerberg Manifesto Is a Blueprint for Destroying Journalism

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Post by the-dude »

sreenadh wrote: post #57
vinhboy wrote: post #2

> It’s also not Zuckerberg’s responsibility to solve a broken business model in journalism. (One could argue he has a moral imperative to do so, given his position of power, but that’s not the same thing.) That line is pretty much all you need to know about the article, despite what the title is claiming. In my opinion. If anything is destroying journalism, it's the fact that half this country does not care for fact…

>it's the fact that half this country does not care for fact vs fiction. I believe it's less to do with not caring to not understanding the system. Coming from a world where newspapers ensured to report only correct info and corrected incase of error. People expect that the internet is also the same. Many are surprised to know that Wikipedia articles are peer submitted and reviewed. Many assumed its from a company li…

> Coming from a world where newspapers ensured to report only correct info and corrected incase of error.

This world never existed, sorry.

Re: The Mark Zuckerberg Manifesto Is a Blueprint for Destroying Journalism

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Post by skookumchuck »

vinhboy wrote: post #2

> It’s also not Zuckerberg’s responsibility to solve a broken business model in journalism. (One could argue he has a moral imperative to do so, given his position of power, but that’s not the same thing.) That line is pretty much all you need to know about the article, despite what the title is claiming. In my opinion. If anything is destroying journalism, it's the fact that half this country does not care for fact…

Whenever I tune in to CNN to catch the latest news, all I see are "analysis" shows where various people sit around and argue or otherwise editorialize.

Re: The Mark Zuckerberg Manifesto Is a Blueprint for Destroying Journalism

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Post by sparkzilla »

fatalogic wrote: post #5

I just wish it was easier to find unbiased news. Just a list of facts no slant either way.

We are working on this problem at Newslines. We collect news into timelines, comprised of just-the-fact summaries. We are looking for more contributors to bring us up to date with our Donald Trump newsline http://newslines.org/donald-trump/

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Post by whitemale »

vinhboy wrote: post #2

> It’s also not Zuckerberg’s responsibility to solve a broken business model in journalism. (One could argue he has a moral imperative to do so, given his position of power, but that’s not the same thing.) That line is pretty much all you need to know about the article, despite what the title is claiming. In my opinion. If anything is destroying journalism, it's the fact that half this country does not care for fact…

> In my opinion. If anything is destroying journalism, it's the fact that half this country does not care for fact vs fiction.

Too bad we don't know which half and which news is fiction.

> If some guy with a catchy domain name can produce content that goes viral, it doesn't matter how many Pulitzer the NYTimes has.

The NYTimes can have all the awards in the world if they publish articles that you can demonstrate beyond doubt to be bullshit or dishonesty.

> If anything, as someone who actually cares about facts, the latest changes in my Facebook newsfeed has gotten me to read a lot more publications because my friends are sharing stories from journals I don't normally read.

You should always look at what the other side has to offer, I talk to people who have polar opposite beliefs to mine on a regular basis, keeps me informed and makes me re-evaluate my own position.

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Post by splike »

skookumchuck wrote: post #64
vinhboy wrote: post #2

> It’s also not Zuckerberg’s responsibility to solve a broken business model in journalism. (One could argue he has a moral imperative to do so, given his position of power, but that’s not the same thing.) That line is pretty much all you need to know about the article, despite what the title is claiming. In my opinion. If anything is destroying journalism, it's the fact that half this country does not care for fact…

Whenever I tune in to CNN to catch the latest news, all I see are "analysis" shows where various people sit around and argue or otherwise editorialize.

Maybe the facts themselves were slanted to one side

Re: The Mark Zuckerberg Manifesto Is a Blueprint for Destroying Journalism

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Post by sparkzilla »

Animats wrote: post #18

Crowd-sourcing news quality does not work. There's no ground truth. Google News is suffering from this. I noted on Wikipedia today, in a discussion of reliable sources, that I had searched for info about a Wikipedia topic with Google news search, with terrible results. The top three results were Algemeiner (Jewish), Breitbart News (alt-right), and Mondoweiss ("progressive and anti-Zionist"). This is pathetic.

>Crowd-sourcing news quality does not work. There's no ground truth.

This is not exactly true. At my site, newslines, we crowdsource news by collecting and summarizing only the factual parts of each story. While Google News aggregates articles, we select the factual information from them. In effect we put the factual data from long-form news articles into a database. Even if you have highly partisan sources you can still extract factual information. A good example of this is our newsline for Emma Sulkowicz, the so-called "Mattress girl" [1]. In her case, the news sources are extremely partisan, but even so we can still extract factual information to create an unbiased view of the news. We belive our solution is far better than Wikipedia for both handling of news events, and the elimination of bias.

We are currently looking for contributors for other lines, particularity Donald Trump.

[1] http://newslines.org/emma-sulkowicz/?order=DESC

Re: The Mark Zuckerberg Manifesto Is a Blueprint for Destroying Journalism

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Post by cerved »

"One analyst told The New York Times last year that 85 percent of all online advertising revenue is funneled to either Facebook or Google—leaving a paltry 15 percent for news organizations to fight over."

I stopped reading here since the author obviously doesn't know what he/she is talking about and didn't bother looking it up.

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