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Re: Google’s not-so-secret new OS

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Post by bitmapbrother »

grizzles wrote: post #21

Since Fuscia is a new kernel, that means it will probably only support Google hardware. The status quo right now among android hardware vendors is to violate the GPL, and they have faced few if any repercussions for doing so. I wonder if Fuscia is sort of viewed as the way forward to addressing that. Anyone care to speculate why there isn't a community version of chromium os? I'd donate to it for sure. It sounds like…

>The status quo right now among android hardware vendors is to violate the GPL

No it's not the status quo. The major OEM's do release their code. Yes, there are some Chinese OEM violators, but that's typical of China.

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Post by techenthusiast »

Inconel wrote: post #26
techenthusiast wrote: post #10

Article author here. Posted this in the notes, but possibly too buried: For anyone interested, I intend to write quite often about consumer technology on this blog. Topics will include hardware, software, design, and more. You can follow via RSS or Twitter, and possibly through other platforms soon. Sorry for the self promotion! Thanks for reading. Please do send any corrections or explanations.

I have nothing constructive to add aside from that I appreciate the simple uncluttered design of your blog. The typography and glasses logo are very pleasing to my eyes as well. Good luck and I look forward to reading more.

Thanks a lot! Hope you like my future articles.

Re: Google’s not-so-secret new OS

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Post by techenthusiast »

roymurdock wrote: post #45
techenthusiast wrote: post #10

Article author here. Posted this in the notes, but possibly too buried: For anyone interested, I intend to write quite often about consumer technology on this blog. Topics will include hardware, software, design, and more. You can follow via RSS or Twitter, and possibly through other platforms soon. Sorry for the self promotion! Thanks for reading. Please do send any corrections or explanations.

Wondering what your background is as you state you're not a programmer but you can obviously parse code (at least at a high level) and have familiarity with the OS ecosystem. Market research? Great analysis btw.

That's very kind, thank you. And yeah, you guessed right - I was an industry analyst for four years.

Re: Google’s not-so-secret new OS

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Post by bitmapbrother »

akmittal wrote: post #47

>the main UI API is based on, yes, Dart Won't the Dart's single thread nature be bad to take advantage of Murli core processors? Or they are embracing web workers?

Dart, in the context of Fuchsia, isn't really a web based language. So yes, it'll take advantage of multi-core processors.

Re: Google’s not-so-secret new OS

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Post by empath75 »

vii wrote: post #53

It's awesome that Google is doing this and in public too https://fuchsia.googlesource.com/ Unfortunately, the hard part of an operating system isn't in a cool API and a rendering demo. It's in integrating the fickle whims of myriad hardware devices with amazingly high expectations of reliability and performance consistency under diverse workloads. People don't like dropped frames when they plug in USB :) Writing devi…

it doesn't need to be a general purpose OS and is probably going to target mobile devices and laptops. I don't think supporting a wide range of hardware is even on the road map.

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Post by oomkiller »

akmittal wrote: post #47

>the main UI API is based on, yes, Dart Won't the Dart's single thread nature be bad to take advantage of Murli core processors? Or they are embracing web workers?

Dart supports full concurrency via actor-like Isolates. Currently on the web, you need to use a web worker though, yes.

https://lucamezzalira.com/2013/06/11/isolates-how-to-work-wi...

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Post by mncharity »

> I don’t see the average garbage-collected language using a virtual machine allowing for a target higher than 60fps realistically.

But... "average garbage-collected language using a virtual machine" doesn't describe any of C/C++, Dart, Go, Java, Python, or Rust. Nor Javascript.

I get greater than 60 fps with my existing Vive three.js WebVR-ish electron/chromium linux stack. Even on an old laptop with integrated graphics (for very simple scenes). Recent chromium claims 90 fps WebVR, and I've no reason to doubt it. So 60 fps "up to 120fps" seems completely plausible, even on mobile.

Re: Google’s not-so-secret new OS

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Post by skybrian »

throwawaydbfif wrote: post #56
resoluteteeth wrote: post #12

Is this an actual plan of Google as a company, or is this some sort of Microsoft-style war between divisions where the Chrome team has just decided on its own that the future is based on Chrome and Dart? Also, considering the way that the ARC runtime for Chromebooks was a failure and had to be replaced by a system that apparently essentially runs Android in a container, will it really be possible for a completely dif…

I would say that Google is trying to replace JavaScript with dart in any way they possibly can. The reason is simple, JavaScript is an open standard, dart is owned by google. Their reasons that "dart is better" is the typical google koolaid before they attempt a market takeover. As we've seen over and over with Android, chrome, and AMP especially. Google loves to make glass house open source projects you can't touch.…

But the thing is, you really can fork. There's nothing preventing forking. I think you're complaining about merging.

But every open source project has standards about what they merge. Try getting a patch into Linux and see what they say; it won't be a rubber stamp.

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empath75 wrote: post #66
vii wrote: post #53

It's awesome that Google is doing this and in public too https://fuchsia.googlesource.com/ Unfortunately, the hard part of an operating system isn't in a cool API and a rendering demo. It's in integrating the fickle whims of myriad hardware devices with amazingly high expectations of reliability and performance consistency under diverse workloads. People don't like dropped frames when they plug in USB :) Writing devi…

it doesn't need to be a general purpose OS and is probably going to target mobile devices and laptops. I don't think supporting a wide range of hardware is even on the road map.

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