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Economists Say Newest AI Technology Destroys More Jobs Than It Creates (2014)

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Re: Economists Say Newest AI Technology Destroys More Jobs Than It Creates (2014)

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This is liked to Slashdot. At least link to the real source.[1] A poll of economists probably isn't that helpful here. Crunching on data from unemployment offices might be more tied to reality. [1] http://www.igmchicago.org/surveys/robots

Normally we would, but that link doesn't say much. Is there a better article to link to?

Note that all of this is from 2014, also.

Re: Economists Say Newest AI Technology Destroys More Jobs Than It Creates (2014)

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Summing up the perspectives on AI and Automation in 13 years in just 2:39:18 of qualitatively worthwile (my opinion) mealpieces of TED-Talks in the playlist below. If you find an equaly rich source of views and shapes on the same topic please comment below, I'd love to read and learn more about it.

Getting back to business: I am to blame, because I'll automate away at least 40 Jobs until June 2017 in just one site (at the begining) of a large multinational company using Deep-Leearning. Kind of feel bad, but I'm not the evil and I certainly don't destroy jobs. Whoever is using the word destroy in topics related to AI is strongly trying to polarize. I really enjoy critical thinking, arguments that make you think, but most often these kinds of discussions sadly end in fear-mongering or finger-pointing akin low quality results. That's with the people who have the strongest opinion about these topics, those are also usually the only ones who bring up these topics, so that's a dilema.

How do you argue against and with people who are mad about you, beceause they think you destroy jobs?

I know it's not universally true, but try to replace the word destroy with augment: Economists Say Newest AI Technology Augments More Jobs Than It Creates (2014)

And the whole thing becomes a new meaning. Now take a look back at how the common consensus about AI and Automation and the accompanied fears have changed and formed over the years using following TED playlist, I've compiled for your pleasure.

• David Autor: Will automation take away all our jobs? [1]

TEDxCambridge · 18:37 · Filmed Sep 2016

• Olivier Scalabre: The next manufacturing revolution is here [2]

TED@BCG Paris · 12:26 · Filmed May 2016

• Anthony Goldbloom: The jobs we'll lose to machines — and the ones we won't [3]

TED2016 · 4:36 · Filmed Feb 2016

• Jeremy Howard: The wonderful and terrifying implications of computers that can learn [4]

TEDxBrussels · 19:45 · Filmed Dec 2014

• Andrew McAfee: What will future jobs look like? [5]

TED2013 · 14:15 · Filmed Feb 2013

• Erik Brynjolfsson: The key to growth? Race with the machines [6]

TED2013 · 11:56 · Filmed Feb 2013

• Wingham Rowan: A new kind of job market [7]

TEDSalon London Fall 2012 · 12:20 · Filmed Nov 2012

• Andrew McAfee: Are droids taking our jobs? [8]

TEDxBoston 2012 · 14:07 · Filmed Jun 2012

• Mick Mountz: What happens inside those massive warehouses? [9]

TEDxBoston 2011 · 12:06 · Filmed Jun 2011

• Tim Jackson: An economic reality check [10]

TEDGlobal 2010 · 20:23 · Filmed Jul 2010

• Rodney Brooks: Robots will invade our lives [11]

TED2003 · 18:47 · Filmed Feb 2003

— [1] https://www.ted.com/talks/david_autor_why_are_there_still_so...

— [2] http://www.ted.com/talks/olivier_scalabre_the_next_manufactu...

— [3] https://www.ted.com/talks/anthony_goldbloom_the_jobs_we_ll_l...

— [4] https://www.ted.com/talks/jeremy_howard_the_wonderful_and_te...

— [5] https://www.ted.com/talks/andrew_mcafee_what_will_future_job...

— [6] https://www.ted.com/talks/erik_brynjolfsson_the_key_to_growt...

— [7] https://www.ted.com/talks/wingham_rowan_a_new_kind_of_job_ma...

— [8] https://www.ted.com/talks/andrew_mcafee_are_droids_taking_ou...

— [9] https://www.ted.com/talks/mick_mountz_the_hidden_world_of_bo...

— [10] http://www.ted.com/talks/tim_jackson_s_economic_reality_chec...

— [11] https://www.ted.com/talks/rodney_brooks_on_robots

Re: Economists Say Newest AI Technology Destroys More Jobs Than It Creates (2014)

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More like it destroys more white collar jobs & that is scary for economists that actually are part of white collar America. (technology has been destroying blue collar jobs for a while now)

It's scary for everyone.

The original "lump of labor" economic argument was that every level of automation lead to more abstract and higher productivity/value work, blue collar labor "just" had to get white collar jobs.

Now that automation has deeply infiltrated the entire manufacturing/retail process, it's starting to eat auxiliary "white collar" jobs.

We're running out of room for people.

Re: Economists Say Newest AI Technology Destroys More Jobs Than It Creates (2014)

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post #42

When will people realize that increased productivity is what makes society better to live in and not jobs. If all you needed were jobs then every country in the world would have no excuse for low living standards - they'd just need to get people a job doing anything, picking crops, whatever. [1] 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Productivity#National_producti...

Increased productivity isn't making society better to live in for people who don't have jobs.

Yes it does. Increased productivity means more tax revenue for government programs, cheaper consumer products and improvement in living standards globally across the population. Its like giving your entire economy an +offset which shifts your distribution in a positive direction.
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