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Mathematical genius is fragile

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Re: Mathematical genius is fragile

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Why is that? Why do you claim not everyone has the potential to become a math genius? Do you have any evidence to back that up (besides Ratatouille)?

Surely you don't mean to suggest that we all start with equal chances of attaining any and all skills?

Any and all skills? No. Mathematical and other related intellectual skills? Why, yes, I do. Despite what most people say, I've never seen a genius who hasn't worked at least twice or thrice as hard as his peers. I've never seen a child that, without the help of any tutors at an early age, or without any influence from their parents, was simply spitting out non-trivial theorems from an early age. I have a hard time believing that some people are BORN better at math and logic than others, and I've yet to see any evidence to suggest that.

Quite on the contrary, I've seen plenty of evidence to suggest that genius is at all not genetic, and that you can train children to become prodigies, and later, geniuses. Surely you've heard of Judit Polgár, universally considered the best female chess player of all time? She was made a genius, not born. Her two sisters grown to become Grandmasters as well. And here's Dr. Frankenstein: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/László_Polgár

Re: Mathematical genius is fragile

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Do you know any 'shitty mathematician' in person, or is it just another stereotype?

> Do you know any 'shitty mathematician' in person I certainly do.

That talk to individuals, do not blame entire field or entire gender.

Re: Mathematical genius is fragile

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The author lost me at "Mathematical genius resides within every one of us — most people just don’t know it yet." The movie Ratatouille captured the sentiment much better, "a great chef can be anyone". Which is not the same as "anyone can be a great chef". It seems the author is mixing up those two. I fully agree that gender, background, schooling, etc is not the key determination of genius. However, saying anyone cou…

Why is that? Why do you claim not everyone has the potential to become a math genius? Do you have any evidence to back that up (besides Ratatouille)?

"Everybody cannot be the best." - Jason Charles Beck, 2000

Re: Mathematical genius is fragile

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Driven out by who? A mass group of secret conspirators?

Women report being driven out by men hitting on them and sexually harassing them.

Your logic:

Men in specific industries have a higher likelihood to sexually assault women, so much so that it pushes 90% of the women out of an industry with greater than 10M people. Do you understand how delusional that is?

Re: Mathematical genius is fragile

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Why is that? Why do you claim not everyone has the potential to become a math genius? Do you have any evidence to back that up (besides Ratatouille)?

I only have anecdotal plus a bit of thinking...? Talent is pursued interest; genius is pursued passion. Most people won't have passion for mathematics, even if such passions were heartily encouraged - at the very least, because there are so many other things to also be passionate about.

I can get behind that, if we defined genius to be pursued passion. Not everyone has a passion for mathematics, that is true.

I just thought what the root post was implying is that even if you're passionate, you might not have the potential to achieve genius-level skill because that would somehow be genetically predetermined. If that was what he was implying, I'd love to see some evidence to support the claim.

Re: Mathematical genius is fragile

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Why is that? Why do you claim not everyone has the potential to become a math genius? Do you have any evidence to back that up (besides Ratatouille)?

"Everybody cannot be the best." - Jason Charles Beck, 2000

But to be a genius, you don't have to be the best, only one of the best.

The article also never claims that everyone IS a mathematical genius, only that they have the potential to become geniuses. Whether or not the achieve this potential in their lifetimes is another matter entirely that doesn't contradict what your quote implies (that only a small percent of the population can be among the "best" at any given time, by definition).

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Many women are not attracted to work in fields populated 90% by males. I believe this to be a more subtle problem that you suggest; you might eliminate all sexual harassment and it would still be the case. EDIT: not calling anyone a liar.

What I am saying, is that the two biggest complaints that women who have worked in this industry have stated to me, are being hit on, and being harassed. Not as a single incident, but as a pattern. The only argument you could make against this is that I'm lying, and women haven't actually said these things to me.

Lets do the math, there are about 3.6 Million software engineers. Software engineering is 90% male. There should be 1.8 Million women to fill that demand, but there is about only 360,000.

1.8 M - 360,00 = 1.44 Million cases of sexual harrassment and other gender based discrimination, across the whole country, and across all groups of men.

Is that logical to you? Does that sound real? Do you have a low IQ?

Re: Mathematical genius is fragile

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Many women are not attracted to work in fields populated 90% by males. I believe this to be a more subtle problem that you suggest; you might eliminate all sexual harassment and it would still be the case. EDIT: not calling anyone a liar.

What I am saying, is that the two biggest complaints that women who have worked in this industry have stated to me, are being hit on, and being harassed. Not as a single incident, but as a pattern. The only argument you could make against this is that I'm lying, and women haven't actually said these things to me.

Question: had they worked in the same company or same geographical area? I found that there is big difference between how companies and groups treat people.

Re: Mathematical genius is fragile

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Not every 7' tall person is a great basketball player, and not every great basketball player is 7' tall. With all due respect, what you say is a consummate example of "dangerously bad idea that makes a good sound bite". Most mathematicians out there are not Hilbert, Gauss, Riemann, or Euler. They are reasonably smart people that work hard over long periods of time to learn their craft and their field, and make increm…

You are conflating genius with productivity. In so doing you are missing the point of both your parent and grandparent poster.

He is, and he's right to.

Every single example of a genius ever has become so because of high productivity.

Re: Mathematical genius is fragile

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His last point about poverty destroying genius was what really struck me. I remember reading that 71% of the world's population lives on less than $10 a day. That doesn't seem to be enough to get a decent education and contribute meaningfully to any field. This means that the world is working at 30% capacity. Our species only gets innovations from the 30% of inventors, entrepreneurs, politicians, scientists who were…

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