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More like Beijing air pollution was affecting his health. That was my reason as well, moving from Microsoft in Beijing to YC Research in LA.
And Chinese idiosyncrasies, and Chinese food, and the emotional stress of being far from family and friends (I'm not saying the pollution is not a factor, but it's probably not the main one)
Hugo Barra is joining Facebook to lead virtual reality
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Re: Hugo Barra is joining Facebook to lead virtual reality
#62It's interesting that he's joining Facebook, not Oculus. Oculus is just a "team" now.
I think this is what was predicted early on. There's no reason for FB to keep a separate entity based on high-end PC gaming, especially when its clear Oculus was bought to give Zuckerberg the "Facebook VR" he's been talking about for quite some time. I imagine the end game for Oculus is to be a branding for a mobile platform for VR. I'm not sure if its anyone's interest to keep it alive as a physical product, outside…
There was some executive shifting a few months back in VR at Facebook and they seem to be distinguishing already implying that "Desktop VR = Oculus" and that this is only a piece of Facebook's VR work.
Re: Hugo Barra is joining Facebook to lead virtual reality
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So what if they're "just" a team now?
Working on progressing VR is far more interesting than working on progressing Facebook (via VR). And before anyone points out Facebook is interesting to work on because of the sheer size of the userbase the same argument could be said for working on McDonalds, Pepsi or any other low grade mass consumption product that's bad for you.
It seems like a fallacy if I understand you correctly (which may/may not be the case):
If A -> B, and you claim -B, that doesn't mean -A.
e.g. If "VR is interesting -> good societal problems to solve" , then "bad societal problem" doesn't mean progressing FB isn't interesting.
Re: Hugo Barra is joining Facebook to lead virtual reality
#64" I look forward to building the future of immersive technology with Mark Zuckerberg, Brendan Trexler Iribe, Mike Schroepfer, and the visionaries in the Oculus team". Ouch!
I wouldn't take Palmer for a guy that's hurt by this. He became richer than his wildest dreams and doesn't have to take shit from anybody. He's probably too busy trying to develop a healthy lifestyle that helps him keep the friends he wants to care for some corporate politics like this to register. Let them take the attention, he'll find another venue for his engineering itches.
Will he?
I followed Palmer for a couple of years (on MTSB3D forums) before the kickstarter; it was his passion and dedication for hacking old/vintage HMDs that got me interested, and ultimately led me to supporting the KS.
He showed the kind of interest and dedication in DIY VR that I hadn't seen since the mid-1990s (and I only knew of one other individual at that time with the same kind of interest - DIY VR, heck VR in general outside of a few niche areas - was really dead).
DIY VR -was- his "engineering itch".
Sure - he got rich beyond his wildest dreams, but I don't think (or maybe I don't want to believe?) that was his endgame. From what I could see then, the endgame was to make VR something again - to make it "take off", to get it back to where it was (the hype?) in the 1990s. I'm not even sure if he wanted it commercialized - just more popular, and more people hacking on it. I think - or want to believe, maybe - that had the only thing that came out of the KS had been the DK1, that Palmer would be happy to have done only that. I don't think he ever intended it to become what it has, but I don't know him - maybe he did. From my perspective, which is skewed for a number of reasons (most of all because I don't know him personally), he never intended for it to explode like it has.
Personally, it surprised me greatly that it did. What I couldn't understand then (nor even now) is why there was an apparent pent-up demand for an HMD for the PC and gaming, yet virtually no one (outside of Palmer and one or two others) was hacking on HMDs? In the 1990s, there was a fairly vibrant DIY VR culture - a few well known books, an unfortunately short-lived magazine (PCVR) - but there were more than a handful of people hacking their own systems together, sharing stuff on the nascent internet and BBS's.
...then, it died off. But apparently there was still demand for it, but it seemed like nobody wanted to DIY their own systems, until after the Rift was announced. It isn't like there wasn't any information on the internet to get people started, plus the whole "maker movement" was strong. The software was all available to play with (game engines, 3d tools, etc). Yet - there wasn't any DIY movement. Until the Rift.
Strangely, though, the DIY VR movement is still fairly small; bigger than it was in 2012 and before, certainly - but it still seems like a lot of people don't want to DIY their own VR rig - most seems to only want to be consumers of the devices, not hackers/innovators - which is a bit strange to me.
Total tangent there - my apologies. As far as Palmer is concerned - well, I hope he continues with hacking VR - but I worry that the FB acquisition and the Oculus brand may dash that. I worry that he may have inadvertently killed the one thing he cared most about - hacking VR as his personal hobby - by making it big. I hope not, but I do wonder.
I'm not Palmer, but I know if I had the stark choice of choosing between being super-wealthy vs being able to freely work on and happily pursue my hobbies, I think I would ultimately kick myself if I chose the former.
Re: Hugo Barra is joining Facebook to lead virtual reality
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm on this site a lot, I know who it is and I understand why it made to the front page. It would help everyone (you included) if you try Google first whenever someone (or something) you don't know is mentioned in a discussion. Even if you search for previous mentions of Hugo Barra on Hacker News, you'd learn that stories mentioning his leaving Xiaomi have made the frontpage in the last few days [1]. As a person who…
A LMGTFY link is juvenile, full stop. It's not appropriate in any response. Condescension (which is what links to that site are) does not make a substantive comment. If you Google his name, you get an article that he was a VP at Google. Put bluntly, who cares if a VP at Google and VP at Xiami moved to Facebook? Explain why this is relevant and not the equivalent of the magazines in grocery stores discussion who the l…
Apparently HN does, because that's the whole story here.
Re: Hugo Barra is joining Facebook to lead virtual reality
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Working on progressing VR is far more interesting than working on progressing Facebook (via VR). And before anyone points out Facebook is interesting to work on because of the sheer size of the userbase the same argument could be said for working on McDonalds, Pepsi or any other low grade mass consumption product that's bad for you.
Not sure I understand your thesis: are you trying to link "interesting" -> arbitrary "good/bad" utility designation, and use that reasoning to argue that progressing FB is not interesting? It seems like a fallacy if I understand you correctly (which may/may not be the case): If A -> B, and you claim -B, that doesn't mean -A. e.g. If "VR is interesting -> good societal problems to solve" , then "bad societal problem"…
No, just that VR isn't bad or mainstream yet so you have more opportunity to shape and steer it. Tough to do if you are chained to a goliath and it's needs.
Re: Hugo Barra is joining Facebook to lead virtual reality
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
A LMGTFY link is juvenile, full stop. It's not appropriate in any response. Condescension (which is what links to that site are) does not make a substantive comment. If you Google his name, you get an article that he was a VP at Google. Put bluntly, who cares if a VP at Google and VP at Xiami moved to Facebook? Explain why this is relevant and not the equivalent of the magazines in grocery stores discussion who the l…
>Put bluntly, who cares if a VP at Google and VP at Xiami moved to Facebook? Apparently HN does, because that's the whole story here.
Re: Hugo Barra is joining Facebook to lead virtual reality
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
So what if they're "just" a team now?
Working on progressing VR is far more interesting than working on progressing Facebook (via VR). And before anyone points out Facebook is interesting to work on because of the sheer size of the userbase the same argument could be said for working on McDonalds, Pepsi or any other low grade mass consumption product that's bad for you.
Now days, it doesn't sound quite so interesting. Back then it was impressive. There's so much extra tech available to everyone now, it's not nearly as tough as it was then.
I'm not much of a walmart fan for various reasons, but that sounded like pretty darn interesting work.
Re: Hugo Barra is joining Facebook to lead virtual reality
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Being "just" a team changes internal politics a lot. You can have engineers re-assigned to other projects easily, you have to fight over internal resources, etc. Maybe it's not a problem at Facebook, but in many companies becoming just another team is the death knell for acquisitions.
Instagram has seen most of its success as "just a team" at Facebook. WhatsApp is probably the only acquisition Facebook made that didn't integrate fully.
Re: Hugo Barra is joining Facebook to lead virtual reality
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Instagram has seen most of its success as "just a team" at Facebook. WhatsApp is probably the only acquisition Facebook made that didn't integrate fully.
Really? We acquired Whatsapp?