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Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Surveillance

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Re: Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Surveillance

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Very nice. Nothing new here, but this is a great summary to share with people who are less familiar with internet architecture and want to get up to speed with this particular facet of (seemingly illegal) surveillance. However, I want to quickly point out one omission in the discussion of the risks of allowing this kind of activity to continue: If the NSA is effectively spying on everybody who communicates with a ser…

If it were legal you could call it unconstitutional. The point is do not want. But really Google is so much worse than the NSA. We can't do anything about Google though. He's like an uninvited guest to every party. And now we have Microsoft to contend with as well.

Commercial surveillance is a problem, no doubt, but the problem isn't just Google - any held commercial data is susceptible to government snooping. Which is why people just blindly throwing their data into The Cloud annoys me.

Re: Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Surveillance

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Meanwhile: Obama Opens NSA’s Vast Trove of Warrantless Data to Entire Intelligence Community, Just in Time for Trump [1] 1. https://theintercept.com/2017/01/13/obama-opens-nsas-vast-tr...

Have you considered that Obama's regulating the distribution before Trump comes in and the main issue is that the FBI is both an intelligence and law enforcement agency?

I mean, if the FBI, Drug Enforcement Administration and Department of Homeland Security weren't in this group of 16, wouldn't the discussion be completely different?

Lastly, who says the minimization that the NSA had been doing itself so far didn't just consist of removing noise? The requests have been and will continue to be confidential after all.

Obama is a proponent of very strong intelligence agencies which certainly must be criticized, but the hysteria and fear-mongering that's happening right now completely misses the issues that have to be solved first, imho.

Re: Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Surveillance

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> Tomorrow, if all the car/tv manufacturers started doing this, what choice do you have? No, the option is not "do not use cars/tv" Supply & demand. If there is demand for dumb TVs and dumb cars, this supply will (eventually) be met. Vote with your wallet. Also, do not forget the second hand market for cars. This one's huge. There's still TVs and cars available which are dumb. There's still laptops available without…

If you run your own mail server, it's hard to get email deliverability to the inboxes of people who use the Big 3 (Gmail, yahoo mail, Outlook.com). This makes using these privacy-invasive email services a much easier decision

Problems seem more to do with the age of the domain, rather than the size.

Re: Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Surveillance

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> If there is demand for dumb TVs and dumb cars, this supply will (eventually) be met. Such demand will never rise to substantial levels. The moment your solution to a problem requires the general public to (change their behavior/become educated about something), your solution is unworkable. If the general public regularly changed their habits out of principle, Windows would have been displaced by Linux in the 90s an…

> If the general public regularly changed their habits out of principle, Windows would have been displaced by Linux in the 90s and the banana and diamond industries would be dead or dying. My argument has never been that the general public at a whole changes something out of principle. Some of us may, most will not. Sadly you're right on that account. My argument was that if there is a demand for a product this will…

And my point was that there never will be enough demand for such a product for it to be anything but a niche product sold to first worlders. And that goes double on commodities with few differentiating features like TVs.

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> and even invited Russia to hack the emails of his political opponent For the 1000th time. He didn't (and it's amazing how often this gets repeated) 'invite' them. He said they should release the documents if they already had them. Note the story line and then the exact quote here: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/trump-putin-no-relatio... "I hope you are able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing". Is not…

>For the 1000th time. He didn't (and it's amazing how often this gets repeated) 'invite' them. He said they should release the documents if they already had them. The direct quote is as follows: “I will tell you this, Russia: If you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” It's hardly a stretch to read this as an invitation, despite the later claims of his handlers.

> It's hardly a stretch to read this as an invitation

It's an interesting Rorschach test.

What would be fascinating is to do an experiment where someone didn't have an emotional attachment to the issue and see how this is interpreted by different parties.

For that matter do the same with this issue merely see what people who fell on either side (or in the middle) thought.

Re: Trying to Keep the Internet Safe from Warrantless NSA Surveillance

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> If the general public regularly changed their habits out of principle, Windows would have been displaced by Linux in the 90s and the banana and diamond industries would be dead or dying. My argument has never been that the general public at a whole changes something out of principle. Some of us may, most will not. Sadly you're right on that account. My argument was that if there is a demand for a product this will…

And my point was that there never will be enough demand for such a product for it to be anything but a niche product sold to first worlders. And that goes double on commodities with few differentiating features like TVs.

See my post above where I explain monitor and TV are competitors. A monitor made nowadays is a dumb TV (and, much more, but not a smart TV).
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