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My Priorities for the Next Four Years

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Re: My Priorities for the Next Four Years

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Post by aaron-lebo »

Jtsummers wrote: post #58
aaron-lebo wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm saying that the Clintons and Trump are a lot closer than people realize: People with knowledge of the call in both camps said it was one of many that Clinton and Trump have had over the years, whether about golf or donations to the Clinton Foundation. But the call in May was considered especially sensitive, coming soon after Hillary Rodham Clinton had declared her own presidential run the month before. https://ww…

You're referencing talks between Mr. Clinton and Mr. Trump, not Mrs. Clinton. And then you try and draw conclusions about how similar Mrs. Clinton's and Mr. Trump's presidencies would have been?

People that have been married for decades tend to be pretty similar.

Re: My Priorities for the Next Four Years

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Post by tptacek »

suls wrote: post #53
idlewords wrote: post #35

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I think employee revolt is a much more promising avenue of attack than market revolt. Many of the people working at Google and Facebook are deeply uneasy about what the data they've collected can be used for. Watching their CEO (or COO) march meekly into Trump tower does not alleviate those anxieties.

I suppose however it is hard to revolt against the hand that feeds you more than 2x market rate. "Everyone has their price" sort of thing ..

It's very hard to be the only person promising to revolt, but it gets easier the more people that do it. What's the threshold percentage of Google or Facebook's workforce that would need to commit themselves before it would not only be safe to join them, but their demands would need to be reckoned with by management? I don't know (I'm really asking) but my gut says it's nowhere close to 51%.

Re: My Priorities for the Next Four Years

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Post by rabbyte »

aaron-lebo wrote: post #45
Jtsummers wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump has consistently demonstrated his impulsiveness and lack of restraint in communicating his thoughts. To the point that erroneous statements about some companies have sent their stocks downward. He also claimed, without evidence, that a plane crash that had just occurred was by Islamic terrorists. He also called for a boycott of Apple (though his campaign staff still used their devices) because they wouldn't cre…

I'm saying that the Clintons and Trump are a lot closer than people realize: People with knowledge of the call in both camps said it was one of many that Clinton and Trump have had over the years, whether about golf or donations to the Clinton Foundation. But the call in May was considered especially sensitive, coming soon after Hillary Rodham Clinton had declared her own presidential run the month before. https://ww…

It's about probability, expectations, and complexity. A status quo candidate with a lifetime of political occupancy and a finely tuned brand of political strategy is simply more predictable; good or bad, the creation of a plan of action is less complex. An unconventional candidate with shifting priorities, an affinity for stirring tensions, challenging long-held principles of the democratic system is going to require a contextual kind of defense which is infinitely more complex.

Re: My Priorities for the Next Four Years

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Post by aaron-lebo »

tptacek wrote: post #51
aaron-lebo wrote: post #21

I don't say this in a rude way, I just say it because I don't understand: it baffles me that the election of Donald Trump caused people to notice certain things. If you are worried about government surveillance now, why were you not worried about that same power under a different administration? If you are worried about corporate overreach now, why were you not worried about that power under a different administratio…

Nobody on HN is clueful about every subject that comes up on HN. You're not expected to be able to comment intelligently on every story here. However, if you have no substantive contribution to make about a thread --- for instance, because it's about the most famous living cryptographer and you no exposure to cryptography or Internet security --- you are expected not to comment at all . As it stands, you've derailed…

I don't have any problem with you personally, but it's not your job to shut down a thread because you disagree with the author.

Re: My Priorities for the Next Four Years

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

Clubber wrote: post #59
aaron-lebo wrote: post #33

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See, I might even be tempted to believe that but he presents it like it's a known thing. Why should we fear a Trump administration more? Why should we fear it so much that it's worth changing our personal focus for the next four years? Doesn't that seem reactionary? If we look at the facts, we know that the Bushes and Clintons are friendly and even share a lot of similar views and the same goes for the Obamas and Cli…

I'm not sure why you are getting so many down votes, it's a legitimate point. We tend to forget that it was Obama who was in his second term when the Snowden revelations hit the papers. It was Obama who approved the drone strikes on US citizens. It was Obama who was in charge during Manning's court martial, conviction and sentencing. I appreciate the complexities of each decision, but it shows he understood and accep…

>If it were Exxon-Mobile doing the same thing, you would have pause, even if they were saying the right things.

The CEO of Exxon-Mobil is going to be Secretary of State.

Re: My Priorities for the Next Four Years

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Post by ipunchghosts »

> Like many, I was surprised and shocked by the election of Donald Trump as president.

To me, this is a fundamental flaw with those in charge of our security. Your job in security is essentially to predict the future. The best security should be surprised by nothing.

I can't see how BS was surprised by Trump being elected. he had literally millions of datapoints to sample. The election is not some hidden process that spits an answer out. You simply hold a vote, count the votes, and the elect.

I like BS and have been reading him for about 10 years but this has really changed my view about him. I'm starting to think he really doesnt get it.

Re: My Priorities for the Next Four Years

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Post by kijin »

apatters wrote: post #8

Interesting read, but I can't imagine how anyone could convince Google and Facebook to change their business models at this stage unless the market truly revolted and started moving away from their products due to privacy issues. I think change is much more likely to happen through disruption (which perhaps is the other side of his ideas, coming up with business models that are more privacy-friendly). I think securit…

IMO there are only two companies in the world right now that could possibly compete against Google and Facebook on that kind of scale but with a different, more privacy-respecting business model.

Unfortunately, the one in Cupertino only takes a lukewarm stance on privacy despite being in an excellent position to make it a distinguishing feature of their platform; and the one in Redmond with its always-calling-home operating system has just blown a ton of goodwill that it had accumulated over the last few years.

Re: My Priorities for the Next Four Years

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Post by Jtsummers »

aaron-lebo wrote: post #61
Jtsummers wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're referencing talks between Mr. Clinton and Mr. Trump, not Mrs. Clinton. And then you try and draw conclusions about how similar Mrs. Clinton's and Mr. Trump's presidencies would have been?

People that have been married for decades tend to be pretty similar.

Can you offer evidence, then, that Hillary Clinton by way of Bill Clinton would have had a very similar set of policies to Donald Trump based on the apparent personal connection between Bill and Donald and the marital relationship between Hillary and Bill? Or is this all just nonsense?

Re: My Priorities for the Next Four Years

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Post by scblock »

ipunchghosts wrote: post #66

> Like many, I was surprised and shocked by the election of Donald Trump as president. To me, this is a fundamental flaw with those in charge of our security. Your job in security is essentially to predict the future. The best security should be surprised by nothing. I can't see how BS was surprised by Trump being elected. he had literally millions of datapoints to sample. The election is not some hidden process that…

This comment makes zero sense.

Re: My Priorities for the Next Four Years

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

tptacek wrote: post #62
suls wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose however it is hard to revolt against the hand that feeds you more than 2x market rate. "Everyone has their price" sort of thing ..

It's very hard to be the only person promising to revolt, but it gets easier the more people that do it. What's the threshold percentage of Google or Facebook's workforce that would need to commit themselves before it would not only be safe to join them, but their demands would need to be reckoned with by management? I don't know (I'm really asking) but my gut says it's nowhere close to 51%.

The problem is how do you coordinate that? It's like forming a union in secret... Under the king of surveillance. How do you even get two people together, when talking to the wrong one will probably get you fired?

I also think many of those most likely to have privacy issues with Google at this point have moved on, it's not like this is a new concern with Google. I suspect a lot of people still at Google have embraced the post-privacy mindset I've seen suggested and even endorsed by a variety of futurists.

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