Live data from Hacker News

Software Engineering Internship Amazon Interview Experience

rajk.me

61–70 of 441 posts

Re: Software Engineering Internship Amazon Interview Experience

#61
Hmm could you just record a loop of you sitting motionless at your computer and feed that to the camera input? Maybe some incredibly loud high pitched noise to the audio?

Not suggesting these as feasible solutions, but something like this deserves to be trolled.

Re: Software Engineering Internship Amazon Interview Experience

#63

feels like this person is overreacting. You should also not be sharing any questions that were asked.

No, it feels like Amazon is over-reacting, and unduly distrustful of the bright young people who would wager their careers and reputations to come work for them.

Cheating in interviews is real and shockingly common. I don't think this is as much of an overreaction as you think it is.

Re: Software Engineering Internship Amazon Interview Experience

#64
post #27

> You will not be able to open any tabs or windows If I had to code purely from memory, without the benefit of language or library docs, I would not be able to write anything of use. Personally when hiring, I'm not interested in a candidate's memory recall, but the ability to use resources when faced with a new challenge.

That's why they won't expect anything useful from that process. They will most likely expect some basic programming knowledge and ability to reason about made up problems.

Re: Software Engineering Internship Amazon Interview Experience

#65

Wait, I see nothing wrong with any of this. Obviously Amazon is trying to curb cheating on remote coding/compatibility tests. They don't actually care to collect any info about you beyond what you do during the test. They don't care which websites you visit before or after the test. Or how you use your clipboard - after the test. But during the test, it's not so unreasonable. People do cheat, especially if they can g…

In a practical sense, it's not much different from a math instructor having you clear the memory on your graphing calculator before an exam; it's an anti-cheating measure and given that this is an online assessment, it almost makes sense. However, from a philosophical point of view, it's Draconian and unnerving. What assurance does the interviewee have that Amazon isn't storing and using all this telemetry? Amazon is…

I'm sure that the candidate has no such guarantee. But does some kid barely out of college care more about potentially landing a job at Amazon or about the small chance that Amazon will retain some info collected during the test? It's a tradeoff, but it's nothing compared to the tradeoff we make by using Facebook or Google services.

Re: Software Engineering Internship Amazon Interview Experience

#66

Wait, I see nothing wrong with any of this. Obviously Amazon is trying to curb cheating on remote coding/compatibility tests. They don't actually care to collect any info about you beyond what you do during the test. They don't care which websites you visit before or after the test. Or how you use your clipboard - after the test. But during the test, it's not so unreasonable. People do cheat, especially if they can g…

In a practical sense, it's not much different from a math instructor having you clear the memory on your graphing calculator before an exam; it's an anti-cheating measure and given that this is an online assessment, it almost makes sense. However, from a philosophical point of view, it's Draconian and unnerving. What assurance does the interviewee have that Amazon isn't storing and using all this telemetry? Amazon is…

> "it's not much different from a math instructor having you clear the memory on your graphing calculator before an exam"

This sort of behavior by teachers is exactly what got me to write my first serious z80 assembly program to mimic all of the menus on the TI-83 circa 1996. Teachers had already caught on to the fact that there were programs that would display the "Mem Cleared" message on the calculators, so mandated they had to do it manually. I never used my program to cheat, I just didn't want to lose my games (had a really good zelda clone & penguins).

Re: Software Engineering Internship Amazon Interview Experience

#67
What's the privacy issue? If you go to an on-site interview they'll look you write in the eyes and see your eye movements. They'll know where you are, if you're browsing the web for some reason, etc. It's just a test they don't you cheat on. Are you thinking they'll sell their interview data to advertisers? Seems preposterous.

Re: Software Engineering Internship Amazon Interview Experience

#68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, but any techie should have little problem preparing an environment for such a test. Use that freshly formatted, dusted off laptop from college? Maybe even consider using a VM, like others suggested. Or how about install a portable version of Google Chrome, so no existing browser data or extensions would be a cause for concern (or worse, imagine a buggy extension crashing the browser and, thus, ending the test ses…

This is a great point, and I address it at the end of my post. The basic idea is that freedom shouldn't be limited to people who 1) have the technical knowledge to do all this and 2) have the time to set up such an environment. Freedom should be default. By being OK with these kinds of testing platforms, these could eventually be used for non-technical positions very easily, and those applications wouldn't know how t…

But Amazon is primarily a tech company. Hate to say it, but non-techies comprise a very small percentage and they're an edge case. I also think that there is little chance that Amazon would care much to impose such strict oversights during non-technical remote tests.

Re: Software Engineering Internship Amazon Interview Experience

#69
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They may catch you if they replay * Your webcam video * Your head movements * Your eye movements * Your mouth movements that was all collected during the test.

Tape over the webcam. If they ask, just say you always gave tape over your webcam for security reasons. You could also use a computer without a webcam.

That will probably result in an automatic fail.

Re: Software Engineering Internship Amazon Interview Experience

#70
> To what extent should personal ethics play in deciding where a (software) engineer should work?

I believe you should use your personal code of ethics as a compass to guide you in your life, including where you work.

> What if the engineer has no other choices for a job, and needs to (make rent/pay the bills/eat food)?

You're describing a clash of personal ethics and social ethics. Social ethics are saying this kind of tracking is alright, your personal ethics no. So, how strongly do you believe in your conviction? Would it be worth going hungry to stand up for what you believe?

Sort of a sliding scale, huh? The more you are pushed towards survival, the less options you have to exercise your personal ethics. On the other hand, maybe this point isn't as important as it seemed at first thought and you'll decide you're willing to be subjected to monitoring for the duration of the test (but not before or after of course)

Post reply on HN