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iPhones send call history to Apple, security firm says

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Re: iPhones send call history to Apple, security firm says

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I'm not sure how this is "secret". If you're using iCloud on your mac and your iPhone, and open up Facetime on the former, you'll see a call list (including regular phone calls, not just facetime). I agree it's undesirable that call history is sent to Apple - but it's pretty easy to notice if you use facetime across devices that the call history is synced.

They sell ~10 iPhones per Mac so most people are only going to be using FaceTime on their phone.

Re: iPhones send call history to Apple, security firm says

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post #49

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Why undesirable? I found call log sync quite useful.

I think the lack of control is undesirable. I agree the feature itself can be very useful. The title of this post sounds way more sinister than it appears.

What possible controls can Apple put in place though other than a checkbox for do/do not sync ?

And remember Apple is a positioning iCloud as a cloud for dummies solution so adding choice comes with trade offs.

Re: iPhones send call history to Apple, security firm says

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post #59

I've never enabled iCloud on any of my iOS devices, since I find it a bit creepy. What real benefits am i missing out on that outweigh the privacy aspects of not using it? Find my iPhone would seem to be an obvious benefit, but are there any others?

What privacy aspects are you referring to? iCloud is extremely secure unless you disable certain aspects of its security or choose to use a weak password.

Re: iPhones send call history to Apple, security firm says

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> The key detail for me is that if you delete the call from the log on any device, the next sync will delete it in iCloud. I highly doubt that it is a hard deletion of data. My guess is that it would be a soft delete, so your call log won't show up on your iPhone, but the data will be retained on Apple's servers.

I'm just going by the article: > One way call logs will disappear from the cloud is if a user deletes a particular call record from the log on their device; then it will also get deleted from their iCloud account during the next automatic synchronization.

But does it get deleted, or marked as deleted?

Re: iPhones send call history to Apple, security firm says

#66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the lack of control is undesirable. I agree the feature itself can be very useful. The title of this post sounds way more sinister than it appears.

What possible controls can Apple put in place though other than a checkbox for do/do not sync ? And remember Apple is a positioning iCloud as a cloud for dummies solution so adding choice comes with trade offs.

Couldn't I apply the same argument for while google needs to send your call history to its servers to perform number lookup? Yet people cry fowl (rightfully so) about privacy implications.

Re: iPhones send call history to Apple, security firm says

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I'm just going by the article: > One way call logs will disappear from the cloud is if a user deletes a particular call record from the log on their device; then it will also get deleted from their iCloud account during the next automatic synchronization.

Does apple delete it from all their backups as well?

No worries, the NSA keeps a copy for you.

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If you've recently set up iOS devices you'll have seen it ask for the passcode for another device before you can access iCloud data on the new one.

^ This. First time it happened I was a little confused, but once I realized what was happening I was ecstatic about it's implications for iCloud backup security.

Only iCloud Keychain is protected this way. It doesn't apply to backups or other data.

Re: iPhones send call history to Apple, security firm says

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It's amazing how long a battery can last when it's connected to a device that doesn't do anything. Have you ever measured the battery life of a battery still in the package? It's amazing, standby time is like years.

Some people still want their phone to (1) make phone calls (2) make phone calls. For them a phone that makes phone calls and the battery lasts a week is far more full featured.

Yeah and some people still want a typewriter. They can have one. That doesn't make it any more useful than the one trick device it is.

Re: iPhones send call history to Apple, security firm says

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The thing to note here is that it includes all information about the calls including the times and durations and the logs also intercept communications from third party apps like Skype, WhatsApp, and Viber, and that all of this information is available to law enforcement.

This is despite Apple's PR statements claiming that the company has designed the phone and its logs to minimize or eliminate the amount of information will be used to feed into law enforcement surveillance requests.

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