I'm not sure how this is "secret". If you're using iCloud on your mac and your iPhone, and open up Facetime on the former, you'll see a call list (including regular phone calls, not just facetime). I agree it's undesirable that call history is sent to Apple - but it's pretty easy to notice if you use facetime across devices that the call history is synced.
iPhones send call history to Apple, security firm says
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Why undesirable? I found call log sync quite useful.
I think the lack of control is undesirable. I agree the feature itself can be very useful. The title of this post sounds way more sinister than it appears.
And remember Apple is a positioning iCloud as a cloud for dummies solution so adding choice comes with trade offs.
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#63I've never enabled iCloud on any of my iOS devices, since I find it a bit creepy. What real benefits am i missing out on that outweigh the privacy aspects of not using it? Find my iPhone would seem to be an obvious benefit, but are there any others?
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> The key detail for me is that if you delete the call from the log on any device, the next sync will delete it in iCloud. I highly doubt that it is a hard deletion of data. My guess is that it would be a soft delete, so your call log won't show up on your iPhone, but the data will be retained on Apple's servers.
I'm just going by the article: > One way call logs will disappear from the cloud is if a user deletes a particular call record from the log on their device; then it will also get deleted from their iCloud account during the next automatic synchronization.
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#65i'm still using my trusty motorolla razr
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I think the lack of control is undesirable. I agree the feature itself can be very useful. The title of this post sounds way more sinister than it appears.
What possible controls can Apple put in place though other than a checkbox for do/do not sync ? And remember Apple is a positioning iCloud as a cloud for dummies solution so adding choice comes with trade offs.
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I'm just going by the article: > One way call logs will disappear from the cloud is if a user deletes a particular call record from the log on their device; then it will also get deleted from their iCloud account during the next automatic synchronization.
Does apple delete it from all their backups as well?
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If you've recently set up iOS devices you'll have seen it ask for the passcode for another device before you can access iCloud data on the new one.
^ This. First time it happened I was a little confused, but once I realized what was happening I was ecstatic about it's implications for iCloud backup security.
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It's amazing how long a battery can last when it's connected to a device that doesn't do anything. Have you ever measured the battery life of a battery still in the package? It's amazing, standby time is like years.
Some people still want their phone to (1) make phone calls (2) make phone calls. For them a phone that makes phone calls and the battery lasts a week is far more full featured.
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#70This is despite Apple's PR statements claiming that the company has designed the phone and its logs to minimize or eliminate the amount of information will be used to feed into law enforcement surveillance requests.