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Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by Omnius »

yolesaber wrote: post #55
ilolu wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But still you can't label 60 million people just because they voted for Trump. There will be few who are racist. But by labelling everyone, you are basically ignoring the reasons they voted for Trump and increasing the divide. Trump took advantage of the many people's anxiety. What should be done is take steps for an inclusive growth including people who are anxious, dis-enchanted with establishment. But by labelling…

I've talked to plenty of people who voted for Trump. To be completely frank, many of their reasons boil down to emotional garbage like "he tells it like it is" / he "speaks for the common guy". But who is this common guy? In America, it's a white guy. The people who voted for Trump voted for him despite the obvious and endlessly apparent evidence that he is sexist, racist, and generally an awful person. What can be s…

Trump's election != racist america. I voted Johnson because i couldn't stomach voting for trump and there was no way i was going to vote for Hillary. The Dems could have run literally ANYONE other then her and they would have had an easy win.

Same goes for the Rep's they could have run anyone (well maybe not cruz) other than Trump and had an easy win against Hillary.

Anecdotally i know many people that voted for Trump and not one of them was happy about doing it.

This election the majority of voters on both sides voted against the other candidate verse for their candidate.

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by moyta »

yolesaber wrote: post #43
drusepth wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>10 million less people turned out to vote compared to 2008, and those were nearly exclusively 10 million Obama voters. This is crazy. Neither Hillary nor Trump even received as many votes as John McCain did back in 2008 (60M) [1], who still lost to Obama by another 10 million votes. It's crazy to actually see how many fewer people voted this election compared to the past two, for whatever reasons. [1] https://lh3.go…

Given two of the worst presidential candidates in recent history compared to 2008 when you had two great candidates (and I say this as a hardcore leftist), it's not that surprising people stayed home.

Damn straight, if I could have the choice I would have thrown my vote away on John McCain this election, I might not agree with most of his positions, but you can definitely respect him. His enduring fight to end and prevent our use of torture is quite heartening, even as a bleeding heart, housing first progressive.

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by smoyer »

baldfat wrote: post #24
smoyer wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in the third largest city in PA (when there's a home Penn State football game) and I agree whole-heartedly with your points. Since State College is surrounded by rural areas, it was clear that the excited voters (as a potential measure of which people will head to the polls) were for Trump. I find it a bit ironic that there are protests against Trump in the cities as for years, the cities in PA have determined…

YOUR THE 4th size city still :) The Penn State community boasts that during home games at State College the stadium is the 4th largest city by "population" in the state. It follows Philadelphia (1,517,550), Pittsburgh (334,563), Allentown (118,032), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaver_Stadium I worked the polls for 5 hours. I asked everyone going in to the gym to play basketball if they voted. I got two responses fr…

Yes ... the stadium itself is the 4th largest city. State College Borough itself has around 40k residents and there's obviously overlap between those residents and those sitting in the stadium. I've heard estimates that there are 15k people that show up just to tailgate on nice days (that seems high to me). In any case, it's an interesting statistic.

Note that Allentown is relatively safe from State College ever passing it as the Borough itself is small and mostly developed. There are 5 surrounding townships that actually contain most of the area's population.

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by sctb »

Wellshit wrote: post #33

I, as a 6" 3' that identifies as a straight non-binary queer Tuvaluan pink unicorn with two horns and a permanent rainbow above my head, and with a slightly left leaning penis with 3 white hairs on my face and with shoe size 9 whose name begins with Hor and with an ID that end in 237 feel totally discriminated by the fact that there never was a president/multibillionaire with these characteristics. I offer myself to…

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12919912 and marked it off-topic.

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by sctb »

Wellshit wrote: post #52
yolesaber wrote: post #42

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Trump wants to overturn Roe v Wade. Pence wants conversion therapy for LGBTQ people. How about you get your fucked up politics away from my body?

I believe it's AAAAABBBBBDDDEFFFGGGGGGGGHILMMMNNNPQQQQSTTTTVXXY now. http://nonbinary.org/wiki/List_of_nonbinary_identities Please, stop discriminating and being so misogynistic. You're hurting people's feelings.

Please stop this uncivil nonsense. We have to ban accounts that continue like this.

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by qznc »

drusepth wrote: post #20
qznc wrote: post #4

> This is the problem with America today, the technology that was supposed to bring us together actually isolated us into echo chambers and drove us further apart. Everybody knows where the other echo chamber is. As a democrat, you are free to watch Fox or read Breitbart. The hard thing is to read it open minded. The average democrat HN visitor probably looks there and stops after two sentences. Then leaves ranting a…

>I have no idea how to fix this. I don't either, but I'd love to get some brainstorming started. Some naive solutions (and, please, feel free to point out why each of them won't work -- any maybe what you'd change to get closer to a solution!): 1. News "aggregator" sites that pull from both sides of the spectrum -- though people would probably just pick and choose which articles they read and which they raged over (a…

Gamification reminds me of prediction markets, though I don't believe this is something for the masses.

For this election the prediction markets were just as wrong as the polls and pundits. (Thanks to everybody who bet against Trump, you gave me great odds ;)

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by gorbachev »

baldfat wrote: post #60
ilolu wrote: post #14

When Hillary lost to one of the worst candidates ever in Trump, then its her fault. But from what I seen in social media, Hillary's supporters are just blaming everyone else for the loss rather than finding fault in their candidate. I have even seen tweets claiming all Trump's voters (60 million people) are sexist, racist etc. It could just be a simple fact that people value other things more than just sexism and rac…

> Trump just sold people a better future to this voters than Hillary did. Whether he is going to solve any issues of his voters, is a different thing. Really I found what he sold was doom and gloom. Death of America if he wasn't elected. Seriously asking because I guess I am blind but what future is he selling besides we all would cease to exist as a country and a democracy if he lost?

His underlying message was almost the same as Bernie Sanders', i.e. "the establishment is not serving you, but the corporate overlords". That's not doom and gloom. It's the reality of much of America. The people living that reality blame the Clintons (and Obama, and to a lesser degree the two Bushes) for making it happen.

That's ultimately why he won.

He got some bonus votes from racists and other kooks, and he wrapped his core message in the typical right-wing xenophobia that resonates well with the base of the modern GOP.

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by candiodari »

baldfat wrote: post #60
ilolu wrote: post #14

When Hillary lost to one of the worst candidates ever in Trump, then its her fault. But from what I seen in social media, Hillary's supporters are just blaming everyone else for the loss rather than finding fault in their candidate. I have even seen tweets claiming all Trump's voters (60 million people) are sexist, racist etc. It could just be a simple fact that people value other things more than just sexism and rac…

> Trump just sold people a better future to this voters than Hillary did. Whether he is going to solve any issues of his voters, is a different thing. Really I found what he sold was doom and gloom. Death of America if he wasn't elected. Seriously asking because I guess I am blind but what future is he selling besides we all would cease to exist as a country and a democracy if he lost?

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/contract/

See "actions to protect the American worker", essentially, isolationism. Anti NAFTA, anti TPP, anti China dumping, anti UN regulations (ie. anti climate change, or at least anti economic impact from climate change).

In the last section there's something about working to punish people employing illegal immigrants, which is a very sore point with poor Americans.

These are not going to be very popular actions on Hacker News, but is it that hard to see that there's a TON of poor Americans this would resonate with ?

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