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Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by throwaway2048 »

dogma1138 wrote: post #40
matt_wulfeck wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair enough, allow people to click "send to nvidia" upon an actual crash, and allow a permanent opt-out. Isn't this the way companies have been handling crash reports since... forever?

I agree that there should be an opt-out option (other than not installing GFE, tho considering that GFE has always phoned home I don't know if that is that important), yes in an ideal world people should opt-in, the problem is that almost no one does. Anyone who ever worked on a crash report system knows that opt-in rates are below 10% even for corporate clients. Heck if you are lucky you get single digit % figures o…

maybe opt-in rates are low because people dont want the data sent? Assuming they are wrong because it makes your job harder is a pretty self serving deduction.

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by random_rr »

brink wrote: post #6

On a related note; I can't even use NVidia's "Geforce Experience" any more without logging in. Thanks for that, NVidia. Just what I wanted; a driver tool that forces me to log in.

Holy moly, I thought that this post was a joke for sure - and then I checked out GeForce Experience.

Uninstalled. Never to be reinstalled.

AMD will be my next card. Thanks nVidia for letting me know what you think of me :)

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by frik »

swiley wrote: post #53
eswat wrote: post #35

Maybe I haven’t looked hard enough, but I’m surprised this and the forced login for GeForce Experience didn’t make a bigger wave amongst gamers, who’ve historically been very vocal about questionable decisions that provide far more value to the business than to the gamers.

I think most of the people who care about this sort of thing don't play games much anymore or are just used to it. Most games do something similar now.

I still use Win7, and usually deactivate analytics. I heard Win10 store fails big time - have you heard the story of the new "Call of Duty" game cannot be played in multiplayer together with non-Win10Store users - mind you the majority uses Steam. It's a sad trend. In general analytics are useful, but the should be opt-in. And usually a crash reporting would be enough, right? But they are all abusing it by sending too much private data, that's not okay, at all.

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by simooooo »

nobodyshere wrote: post #38
eswat wrote: post #35

Maybe I haven’t looked hard enough, but I’m surprised this and the forced login for GeForce Experience didn’t make a bigger wave amongst gamers, who’ve historically been very vocal about questionable decisions that provide far more value to the business than to the gamers.

Well, I simply uninstalled the whole thing. Will download drivers manually now. Same for razer synapse. Anything that requires me to have an account for no obvious reason has no place on my system.

I created an account named something like fuckyou just for making me sign up. Now they email me addressing me as "fuck you. Have you seen.." :/

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by simooooo »

nobodyshere wrote: post #38
eswat wrote: post #35

Maybe I haven’t looked hard enough, but I’m surprised this and the forced login for GeForce Experience didn’t make a bigger wave amongst gamers, who’ve historically been very vocal about questionable decisions that provide far more value to the business than to the gamers.

Well, I simply uninstalled the whole thing. Will download drivers manually now. Same for razer synapse. Anything that requires me to have an account for no obvious reason has no place on my system.

I created an account named something like fuckyou just for making me sign up. Now they email me addressing me as "fuck you. Have you seen.." :/

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by lukeschlather »

KirinDave wrote: post #20
userbinator wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, crash reporting is easily done with logs, preferably in some format you could redact any sensitive information from. This seems more like the "I will secretly phone home and not tell you about it or what I'm sending" kind of thing. These are GPU drivers. It's not at all unreasonable that there may be something sensitive shown on the screen when a crash occurs. It might not even be shown on the screen but still pr…

> No, crash reporting is easily done with logs, preferably in some format you could redact any sensitive information from. This seems more like the "I will secretly phone home and not tell you about it or what I'm sending" kind of thing. It's not terribly secret, now was it? It was... you know... immediately discovered and I'm pretty sure my driver changelog AND firewall asked about it. > These are GPU drivers. It's…

I'm playing a game, I alt-tab out, game crashes, and literally anything can end up in the framebuffer related to a crash.

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by jrockway »

brink wrote: post #6

On a related note; I can't even use NVidia's "Geforce Experience" any more without logging in. Thanks for that, NVidia. Just what I wanted; a driver tool that forces me to log in.

I noticed the same thing. It's ridiculous. Geforce Experience doesn't do anything I care about except auto-update drivers. Why do I need to log in for that?

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by alkonaut »

ronjouch wrote: post #29
userbinator wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have an nVidia card, but it's rather old and I have not updated the drivers on it past a version that just seemed to cause occasional crashes. It works fine for what I need, and is somewhat disruptive to change. As a believer in the "leave it alone if it works" principle, and especially after this news, I'm probably not going to try any newer drivers now.

Absolutely reasonable if your windows box is used for mundane web browsing / programming and the occasional video, but that doesn't fly for a gaming machine; some games will exhibit bad performance or will plain crash with old drivers that don't incorporate the regular fixes/workarounds added by nvidia (and amd does it too). There's a youtube video I fail to find where a nvidia driver engineer explains how many games…

If you buy a game in october (Such as Battlefield 1) it wont even start if it finds your driver isn't the one shipped in October, together with the game. Basically AAA games these days are partly implemented in the drivers, and games have custom required tweaks for nvidia and and drivers.

Re: Nvidia adds telemetry to latest drivers

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Post by dogma1138 »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #61
dogma1138 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that there should be an opt-out option (other than not installing GFE, tho considering that GFE has always phoned home I don't know if that is that important), yes in an ideal world people should opt-in, the problem is that almost no one does. Anyone who ever worked on a crash report system knows that opt-in rates are below 10% even for corporate clients. Heck if you are lucky you get single digit % figures o…

maybe opt-in rates are low because people dont want the data sent? Assuming they are wrong because it makes your job harder is a pretty self serving deduction.

People aren't bothered about security or privacy, they just cannot be bothered.

Giving even the slightest incentive to send data brings those numbers up extensively even if what you get is meaningless.

Basically humans need a reason to tick a box.

This is why this is under GFE which gives you value added services.

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