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Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by addicted »

ditados wrote: post #33
nkurz wrote: post #19

3. “Hackintoshes” aren’t good enough. ↩︎ Is this really true? Yes, there are currently support issues, but this would seem to be because Apple exclusively makes its own hardware and doesn't legally permit running their OS on anything else. Might macOS thrive if it was retargeted to (or at least officially permitted use of) high-end 3rd-party hardware? Microsoft doesn't make their own high-end workstations, and Window…

Marco does iOS development, and there are a number of features that simply won't run on a Hackintosh. Anything involving crypto is dicey, and stuff that relies on (for instance) having an official serial number (like iMessage) will also fail. But that is irrelevant for a lot other use cases.

I believe the iMessage issues have been resolved now.

Hackintoshes are getting better, but Marco is fundamentally right. Any OS update could break your system, which means you need to wait before installing an update, which opens you up to security and/or professional risks (for example, if it takes a couple of months for the newest MacOS to be made suitable for a hackintosh, that's a couple of months where you cannot update your iOS apps with the latest features, since XCode versions also tend to be tied to OS versions).

Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by _ph_ »

vbezhenar wrote: post #52
thenewwazoo wrote: post #6

I feel like I'm living in a crazytown where nobody sees what's so plainly obvious. Doesn't anyone remember when IBM wasn't able to deliver chips to Apple on the schedule they demanded, and customers were complaining, and they were taking a drubbing in the press for it? And Apple let their existing product line stagnate for a little while, and then we got the Intel Macs? Well, this time it's Intel and not IBM, except…

What's wrong with Intel? They release new processors every year. Apple could easily update every mac every year with new processor, they just don't care.

Intel releases have become stretched out a bit, and they do no longer renew the whole processor lineup in parallel any more. It took Intel almost a year to finish the transition to Skylake - the late 2015 iMac already has Skylake processors, but the models needed for MB Pro only became available not too long ago. The 32g ram support for laptops seems to depend on the Kaby Lake earliest - while the ultra low power versions have been released, the more powerful versions are going to be released all over 2017.

Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by douche »

Ensorceled wrote: post #46
WayneBro wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything you listed as either incorrect or extremely insignificant. I don't have time to correct you right now but please, you're really reaching on quite a few of those. Edit: maybe it would help you to level out your perspective by thinking about some reasons why almost every business on the planet runs Windows and not Mac.

Well, that was a convincing argument. Edit: Every business on the planet runs Office, and they used to all run Exchange, Outlook and SharePoint. They got Windows as a side effect.

They still do run all that stuff, they are just letting Microsoft administer it for them increasingly, rather than fiddle-frig around with on-premise deployments. Office 365 is exploding.

Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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m_mueller wrote: post #10
cwyers wrote: post #2

> Microsoft is boldly experimenting with PC hardware, but Windows and everything around Windows is woefully inferior to macOS and the Mac software ecosystem. Even if Microsoft did everything right, it would take Windows at least a decade to catch up — and they won’t do everything right. So, if you have everything already on macOS (I still hate that name change), I can get not wanting to switch. But what on Earth is i…

* The windows registry vs the OSX defaults system * Constantly changing APIs based on Microsofts internal politics vs. the very stable Cocoa * HiDPI that always works or has good fallbacks * Touchpad / gesture support that is actually pleasant and precise to use * Battery life * Multidesktop * POSIX scripting (that one is slowly coming to windows now) * Can be restored from another computer in a matter of minutes (se…

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Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by hacknat »

"Linux can solve some pro needs, but not most. It’s a fantastic server OS but a miserable desktop one, and that will probably never change."

Miserable is a strong word. Ubuntu is hardly miserable. Chromebooks are pretty much guaranteed to be able to run Linux without worry, and installing Ubuntu on them shouldn't be much of a hassle.

I personally run Fedora on an XPS 15 and have had very few issues with it, which is crazy since I'm bleeding edge everything by that count (hardware and software).

Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by woofdogwoof »

Not sure what the author point was. He told us that chips aren't getting faster, so the only way to add speed was to add cores, then he told us that we can get 22 cores from a Mac Pro. As far as I know no other desktop can deliver 22 cores, so what is he griping about? Is he upset that Apple hasn't released a Pro with 48 cores?

Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by ditados »

throw_away wrote: post #51
ditados wrote: post #28

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Believe me, it's not. Even when the userland gets updated to 16.04, it's still heavily dependent on the Windows kernel, and the networking stack (for example) will not be the same. The WSL will never replace a native Linux OS. Period. But it will be pretty useful for some lighter use cases. As a dev, I'm still not convinced it's good enough, given the recent issues with Ruby and Node.

I'm fine with Unix support not being as good as native Linux, but is it as good as MacOS?

macOS runs a BSD-like userland atop a Mach kernel. It's not Linux, but it is a damn sight more field-tested and reliable than the Windows kernel...

I'm actually surprised at the question, considering the number of devs who work on macOS (and I'm not talking about front-end folk).

Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by erk__ »

no1youknowz wrote: post #35
WayneBro wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything you listed as either incorrect or extremely insignificant. I don't have time to correct you right now but please, you're really reaching on quite a few of those. Edit: maybe it would help you to level out your perspective by thinking about some reasons why almost every business on the planet runs Windows and not Mac.

* Touchpad / gesture support that is actually pleasant and precise to use * Multidesktop * PDF support baked into OS He's right with these. I now solely use the touchpad on my MBPr. I cannot see myself ever switching back to a mouse. Having been a mouse user for 16 years! The ability to do a 3 finger swipe and switch to another virtual desktop in a split second is awesome. Is this possible on Windows? I don't know. I…

The abillity to have multiple desktops came with the anniversary update a couple of months ago.

Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by grahamburger »

geff82 wrote: post #11
hartator wrote: post #8

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Windows 10 has Linux subsystem now, which is Ubuntu 14.04. I would say it's at least on par now with MacOS.

Windows also has an annoyment-subsystem now, reminding you to use Edge once a day when you start Chrome. That is why I am switching my last desktop to Linux in the minutes I write this post. I will not accept an OS that tells me what I should use.

I saw this while using Firefox on my wife's Windows laptop yesterday. "Firefox is using 75% of your battery. Switch to Edge." Notification pop up from the battery indicator. Really obnoxious dark pattern.
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