Why terrorism doesn’t work (2002) [pdf]

Post by ejlo » Wed, Nov 02, 2016, 6:35 PM UTC

tristanj wrote: post #55

ejlo wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would have been quite stupid, though, to reveal the plan too early.

The thesis "Bin Laden destroyed the 9/11 towers to bankrupt America" makes very little sense when you dig into it. It would mean Bin Laden planned to: - destroy the twin towers so - the U.S. would justify an invasion of Iraq and - actually invade Iraq - and occupy Iraq for a prolonged period of time (and not quickly pull out) - so America would devote resources here - thus bankrupting itself Steps 2 and 3 (and possib…

Post by dogma1138 » Wed, Nov 02, 2016, 11:10 PM UTC

skrebbel wrote: post #59

DominikR wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your "correct response" to terrorism has been tried now for 8 years and it doesn't work, instead everything got worse. The only way is to try to insulate oneself from these radicals by not letting them immigrate, or if it doesn't help pick an area controlled by the most vicious of these radicals (ISIS territory comes to mind) and give them a taste of what armageddon could look like so they'll learn an important lesso…

Are you one of those paid Russian propaganda commenters people gossip about? Pretty cool to see this sort of stuff up close. I like how you slowly build up from some pretty widespread opinions to Chechens being "fierce Russian patriots".

Post by Joeboy » Thu, Nov 03, 2016, 12:18 AM UTC

dogma1138 wrote: post #64

Joeboy wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why do you say it hasn't worked out for the Palestinians? I suppose because I am comparing post-Oslo Palestinian terrorism to early 20th Century Zionist terrorism. Fair point. I'm not sure I agree that Palestine kinda sorta having statehood counts as much a victory, compared to the concrete losses suffered by Palestinians. It's not like Palestinians actually have much control over the territory their state claims.

Because for the most part they don't have a goal. Palestinian terroristm increased drastically with every concession Israel made. Suicide bombings after Oslo (they weren't really any before), and the 2nd intifada after Camp David when they were offered 98% of thier claimed territory with land swaps and East Jerusalem, and after Israel pulled out of Gaza it got 10,000's of rockets. Terrorism can work when it's a means…

Post by DominikR » Thu, Nov 03, 2016, 4:44 AM UTC

dogma1138 wrote: post #63

skrebbel wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you one of those paid Russian propaganda commenters people gossip about? Pretty cool to see this sort of stuff up close. I like how you slowly build up from some pretty widespread opinions to Chechens being "fierce Russian patriots".

He is somewhat correct Russia basically installed a puppet government and through pretty brutal use of both the carrot and the stick managed to convince the populous that they were in the wrong.

Post by tristanj » Fri, Nov 04, 2016, 9:53 PM UTC

ejlo wrote: post #61

tristanj wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thesis "Bin Laden destroyed the 9/11 towers to bankrupt America" makes very little sense when you dig into it. It would mean Bin Laden planned to: - destroy the twin towers so - the U.S. would justify an invasion of Iraq and - actually invade Iraq - and occupy Iraq for a prolonged period of time (and not quickly pull out) - so America would devote resources here - thus bankrupting itself Steps 2 and 3 (and possib…

Of course, things turned out way better for him than he could have planned, but that doesn't rule out that there was some plan behind it. Step 1. He also attacked pentagon and Washington. Imaging if the latter had succeeded! It's not hard to predict the reaction to such an event. Step 2. I think he tried to provoke the attack on Afghanistan. Iraq was later. Step 4. With the terrain in Afghanistan, a quick war is not…