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The Skype sex scam – a fortune built on shame

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Re: The Skype sex scam – a fortune built on shame

#61
post #50

>And what if my mum sees this? First, why is she watching unsolicited "porn" if it's so bad? Second, what kind of parent watches a sex video of their kid? Should be obvious what's happening pretty quickly and then Alt-F4. And then why would a relative share the video? I get there's a different cultural standard and not everyone can just shrug and say "ya well I don't know why you're watching videos of me". It just se…

If I had a video of a relative like that come into my inbox my first reaction would be to close it right away and act like it never happened.

Almost certainly, but I might also let the person know, discretely and in careful language, depending on how close our relationship is.

Re: The Skype sex scam – a fortune built on shame

#62
post #4

If a random girl asks you to show her your penis, first make sure you are doing it in person and she does not have any devices on her. How can people in this century not know that your stream (no pun intended) can be recorded.

Or alternatively, don't worry about it? I'm pretty sure the problem in general is too many unsolicited pictures (see Chatroulette). I'm having a hard time imagining the actual threat. It sounds embarrassing, like forgetting to wear clothes and getting stuck in public. Except, hopefully, you don't have friends and relatives that accept and share nudes of you, especially from strangers.

If someone sends a video of me masturbating to my mother, they probably wouldn't name the video "YOUR SON MASTURBATING.MP4".

And it probably varies by culture too, right? I would definitely be embarrassed if something like this was sent to my relatives and friends, but not €2,000 embarrassed. But I can easily see this being a very big deal in a much more traditional culture.

And now imagine that the victim is gay, and comes from a very conservative, religious culture, and both sides of the video are sent. (Or the victim isn't gay, but their masturbating video is just paired with another man's to make it look like they're gay.) Maybe they come from a culture where this means you're disowned, or worse.

I agree that we shouldn't worry about it, but we don't all have that luxury.

Re: The Skype sex scam – a fortune built on shame

#63
post #52

> I chose not to go down the route of scamming because I consider it incompatible with our Moroccan and Islamic values Or... with basic human decency, whether you're Moroccan and Islamic or not.

I spent six weeks in Marrakech over the summer. The attitude among the locals is basically this: it you're a Muslim, you're "one of them" so you don't get scammed. If you're not a Muslim, you're fair game for everyone from small boys on the street to shop owners to obvious thugs to sex scams. This is especially the case if you're a non-Muslim woman. I can't count the number of times men made crude comments to my gf.…

When you say "sexually assault" are you referring to them grabbing her behind or something else? The term is very broadly used.

Re: The Skype sex scam – a fortune built on shame

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post #61
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I had a video of a relative like that come into my inbox my first reaction would be to close it right away and act like it never happened.

Almost certainly, but I might also let the person know, discretely and in careful language, depending on how close our relationship is.

I've been in a similar position; a relative overshared something on Facebook. (You know those facebook "Like" buttons on Pornhub? Yeah, turns out they work.)

We quickly and discreetly contacted the relative, and let them know what they'd done, and they removed the evidence from Facebook.

Re: The Skype sex scam – a fortune built on shame

#65
post #50

>And what if my mum sees this? First, why is she watching unsolicited "porn" if it's so bad? Second, what kind of parent watches a sex video of their kid? Should be obvious what's happening pretty quickly and then Alt-F4. And then why would a relative share the video? I get there's a different cultural standard and not everyone can just shrug and say "ya well I don't know why you're watching videos of me". It just se…

If I had a video of a relative like that come into my inbox my first reaction would be to close it right away and act like it never happened.

If someone sent me a video of that sort, I would most certainly talk to the person about it - for all I know, they're in trouble, they might be about to send $2000 to some random person overseas for no particularly good reason. Or their computer might be infected with something that hijacks control of their camera.

Re: The Skype sex scam – a fortune built on shame

#66
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Samir receives a phone call from an unknown woman. The woman sounds really hot and sounds like she likes him. Samir arranges to meet the woman at his home, only to find it's actually a man. Samir is subsequently tied up and robbed of all his money and belongings. Is Samir an idiot (Y/N)?:

Samir is your grandpa who is showing signs of Alzheimer's. You are tied up in a legal battle to take custody of him. He's been roughed up and now fears for his life. Did your grandpa deserve that (Y/N)?

Samir is 21 years old and does not have Alzheimer's. People need to take some personal responsibility for their own ineptitude. The only way we learn as humans is from our experiences (good and bad).

Re: The Skype sex scam – a fortune built on shame

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Samir receives a phone call from an unknown woman. The woman sounds really hot and sounds like she likes him. Samir arranges to meet the woman at his home, only to find it's actually a man. Samir is subsequently tied up and robbed of all his money and belongings. Is Samir an idiot (Y/N)?:

What's lacking in your life that you need to be so judgemental?

What's so judgmental about what I said? I'm just reading the story and pointing out the obvious. It's really hard to feel sorry for someone who sends naked pictures to a stranger simply from a facebook message saying "Hi, how are you? I saw your profile and I liked you".

And this is a crisis because?

Re: The Skype sex scam – a fortune built on shame

#68
Reminds me of my earlier bipolar days enjoying the rides of full blown mania, wherein in addition to being psychotic you also may become hypersexual, very social and, if on a computer, become fast and loose in communicating with as many people, including family members, as possible.

On countless occasions I have sent out mass emails that anyone would regard as far less damaging to one's reputation and dignity than a masturbation chat video, not just because of the sexual content, but because they revealed to everyone I knew that I was able to descend into psychosis; and to those who were familiar with such mood disorders that I failed or opted not to prevent myself with medicines to fall into those depths, and accordingly ought not be trusted.

Once I played ball with my shrink and became successfully treated with the right "cocktail" of meds, getting the disease well under control (it's been over a decade since my last manic episode), I found my social life soon fully restored, friends and family and coworkers, and eventually went on to get married have a kid, yada yada, living treated and happily ever after.

People have a short term memories even with things you do that are greatly embarrassing (unless, I suppose, if there's some heinous criminal component). Or some are overly-judgmental and prudish and perhaps not as valuable a friend as you had thought. So, if you screw up either because you had an Anthony Weiner episode or because you went on the Internet while manic, consider that the damage to your life that you're envisioning once your sanity is restored is greatly exaggerated in your mind and that you may successfully live it down.

Just a youtube masturbation link? Two thousand bucks that might turn into fifteen thousand two weeks later? Hell, might as well "get out in front of it" and post the link yourself with a note in the description that you're being blackmailed or extorted and you are posting this yourself in a bid to disarm the criminal so that you can move on with your life more briskly, with a suggestion to those watching not to watch any further and not to combine both your private parts and your face in the same picture or video.

The following few weeks may be a bit awkward but as has been noted in other comments most will pretend it never happened or won't care (perhaps they too know /firsthand/ what it's like to masturbate) or will resume liking you again after a surprisingly short period of time passes. As for being married, you each made vows, divorce is a major schlep, and if in your estimation your marriage is vulnerable to the likes of such an incident, you should work on your marriage before letting your hair down on Facebook and Skype.

Re: The Skype sex scam – a fortune built on shame

#69
post #31

> The next day she sends me a message: "Hi, how are you? I saw your profile and I liked you." So I looked at her profile and, I mean, she was really hot If that's all it took, Samir is an idiot.

Sure, so let's scam him. Idiots exist so we can explore them. The world is a place for the smart guys. We just have to hope there isn't someone smarter than us out there.

That's not what I said.

Remove the scam part for a moment and imagine if this guy was just playing a prank and posted the video to all his friends list without the extortion part. Without the extortion he committed no crime and Samir will still have exhibited terrible judgement with some serious consequences

Re: The Skype sex scam – a fortune built on shame

#70
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Samir is your grandpa who is showing signs of Alzheimer's. You are tied up in a legal battle to take custody of him. He's been roughed up and now fears for his life. Did your grandpa deserve that (Y/N)?

Samir is 21 years old and does not have Alzheimer's. People need to take some personal responsibility for their own ineptitude. The only way we learn as humans is from our experiences (good and bad).

The point I was making is you don't always know what makes a person an "idiot". Some it is simply a disease, others were born only slightly handicapped and from the outset can appear normal. Some are going through things and are mentally crushed, seeking out another person who appears to like them.

As it turns out, those dumb people are sometimes related to us and going through something.

Another thought, should we expect the geniuses of our time to completely exploit us? I mean, they are smarter and superior than the majority of us. Does that give them the right?

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