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Re: Microsoft Cognitive Services

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aangjie wrote: post #6
eli_gottlieb wrote: post #5

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>As in, that iphone you're clutching in your hand, will it go from smart to dumb once we move on to a software distribution model where by the device is but a high-res screen with a nice camera but running everything else remotely in the cloud somewhere? That sounds like it's going to have absolutely killer latency problems. >Because that's the only way to get to point where we have universal computing, the kind of s…

>I will pay a lot of money to buy hardware and software that actually shifts back towards programmable stuff that I actually own and can do what I want with. So that's exactly what would happen. Those who have the bucks will buy hardware and do customizations, while the rest will buy standard display, and camera and suffer the latency, privacy and personalization problems. I don't see it as difficult. Only thing is r…

I've tried to used these central hackaz, they're not legit, do not contact them.

Re: Microsoft Cognitive Services

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Post by Jabbles »

munin wrote: post #42
Jabbles wrote: post #33

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Interestingly, Microsoft's ToS: You grant to Microsoft and will secure and maintain all rights in the Data necessary for us to: ... (iv) improve the Service Components and other Microsoft products and services http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/legal/CognitiveServic... Google Vision API: 5.2 Use of Customer Data. Google will not access or use Customer Data, except as necessary to provide the Services to Customer.…

Do you think that improving the model does not fall under "provide the Services to Customer?"

IANAL. Does it?

Re: Microsoft Cognitive Services

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Post by conjectures »

CorneliaKara wrote: post #56
conjectures wrote: post #46

Computer vision API seems pretty shaky outside of very basic object recognition: Royal Coat of Arms, "Two giraffes with a book." Astronaut above earth, "A motorcycle mirror." Twin towers behind statue of liberty: "A tall clock tower towering over the city of london." Che Guevara: "A woman wearing a hat." The emotion API doesn't seem as shaky. Presumably because its a better defined problem with a smaller search space…

[disclaimer: I work on the Computer Vision API] Good examples! It looks like you were using the Image Captioning operation in the Computer Vision API. I would think that, for the cases where the output was not correct, the API returns a low confidence score; it really depends on your scenarios, but, in my own testing, a caption with <40% confidence score is likely to have incorrect info. Now, to explain what's going…

Thanks for the response Cornelia.

I can see that the Computer Vision API does return some useful information. E.g. it appears to discriminate well between abstract images and photos. I appreciate the inclusion of scores with the returned information.

However, the captioning reliably produces odd results. I Googled, "Italian guy eating pizza." To fit the person verbing a common noun model. This was the first non-cartoon image for me:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/68/c6/cf/68c6cf87b...

And the caption:

{ "type": 0, "captions": [ { "text": "a man and a woman eating a plate of food", "confidence": 0.44831967045071774 } ] }

The woman in question is, I presume, the small statue of the Virgin Mary stood next to the pizza.

There were also a few things I thought would fail but didn't. E.g. distinguishing preparing food from eating it. This was nice.

Re: Microsoft Cognitive Services

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Post by PJDK »

thr0waway1239 wrote: post #37
argonaut wrote: post #30

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Yeah I think this is a good use case. But is that going to be a huge business for Microsoft/Google/Amazon? There are serious companies (like Netflix) that put their entire infrastructure on cloud platforms. If the concerns the OP raises are valid, no company for whom ML is a big (read: high usage, high paying) feature is going to rely on these cloud services. And startups that do rely on the cloud services for their…

Yes, this is what I am trying to say. It looks as if the use-cases, if not the market-size itself, is a lot less ambitious if you choose to use these services. But also - what happens when you wish to expand and grow? My guess is, if this capability was developed in house, you would almost certainly find it easier to not just scale without incurring a "success tax", but most importantly you are now exposed to the dee…

What your saying is certainly true for some areas, but I feel like there is a big market for commodity ML. I don't worry that Microsoft developed our database and might therefore steal our business from under us. I just need a nice relational datastore that "just works". The database is absolutely critical to our application working, but it's not in any way what differentiates us. For many people, ML services will be the same sort of thing.

Re: Microsoft Cognitive Services

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Post by igravious »

CorneliaKara wrote: post #55
igravious wrote: post #8

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I thought it was interesting that something called "Project Oxford" on the .ai TLD redirected to Microsoft Cognitive Services. :) By the way the the entire list of .ai domains makes for interesting reading: http://anguilla-ai.com/list.html Here is the top 30 entities (inc. unknown) because I have no life. Make of it what you will. USA 2871 Japan 66 Singapore 27 China 636 Netherlands 53 Spain 27 Anguilla 338 Russia 48…

Microsoft Cognitive Services is the new name for Project Oxford. [disclosure, I work on the team]

I see. Thank you. Cool name. Keep up the good work. :) In other news: http://blogs.microsoft.com/next/2016/10/25/microsoft-release...
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