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Apple’s expected Mac event on October 27 is official

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Re: Apple’s expected Mac event on October 27 is official

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I just hope we get 32G of RAM on the MBP. It's desperately needed.

I doubt it. Very few people have a legitimate need for 32 GB of RAM in any device, let alone a laptop. Apple doesn't really build their hardware so that it's "developer-oriented", so it's unlikely you'll see 32 GB of RAM anytime soon. Perhaps 8, 12 or 16 GB.

As a VMware developer, hehehe, you're funny.

As a user of a modern web browser, yeah, 8GB by default isn't going to cut it anymore. Browsers leak like sieves and routinely I have to kill them once they hit 10+GB.

32GB is not even outlandish. It's a simple upgrade. The memory controllers support it. Apple can charge a fortune for it since it's "memory down" instead of DIMMs. Why wouldn't they do it?

Re: Apple’s expected Mac event on October 27 is official

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So, new macs = different plugs. Awesome.

Taking away MagSafe will be very unfortunate. MagSafe is one of the best things about Macs.

I'm about as heavily invested in MagSafe as a single person can semi-reasonably be, but I have pretty strongly mixed feelings about dropping MagSafe, so when I hear that people are upset (and I admittedly presume that those individual people can't possibly be more deeply invested in continuing with MagSafe than I am (although I make no claims about people making decisions for groups of people, like IT staff)), I see an opportunity to point out that there's at least some merit to this. I want to be clear upfront that I'm not saying it's a landslide in favor of Type C, but that there is at worst a silver lining and perhaps at best this is a net win.

First, it's a good thing that we're converging on a standard. Standards mean not only that we can safely buy components from third parties (for instance, buying reputable, reliable USB Type C cables from places like Monoprice or whomever), but that we can borrow charging cables from others relatively easily. We've had a taste of that thanks to MagSafe's ubiquity, but a USB-based spec potentially broadens that.

Second, USB battery packs (admittedly a slightly niche product category, but one that's been growing rapidly in the past few years) could potentially be made to charge Macbook Pros now. There are some battery packs out there that support MagSafe today, but my sense from shopping around every few months is that the best option continues to be to buy a battery pack that has a standard electrical outlet, and carrying that big bulky MagSafe AC adapter with me. Transitioning to a USB spec (should) permanently open the door to portable battery packs, third party AC adapters, etc...

Third, USB power hubs (again a slightly niche product category, depending on whom you ask) can consolidate all of the AC adapter functions that devices need for charging. I'm already nearly there --- my tablet, battery pack, bike lights, phone, and watch all charge by USB (heck, I have a charger for my DSLR's batteries that uses Micro USB), and a single AC adapter for those devices is both tidier and easier to pack and travel with.

I agree that MagSafe's really nice and I'll be sad to see some of the benefits go, but particularly with MagSafe 2 they've overcorrected in my opinion by making the threshold strength necessary to break away too low, and it's caused me to seriously reconsider whether the frustration of all these inadvertent disconnections is worth the benefit. I see at least a few reasons to be glad that the next laptop I buy (maybe in a year, certainly in three) will probably be able to charge via the same (reasonably priced!) AC adapters and battery packs that I'll own for my peripherals, and that if I'm really up a creek it'll be more likely that I find someone with a compatible charging cable, since USB is (and will continue to be) pretty much ubiquitous.

Re: Apple’s expected Mac event on October 27 is official

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I'm voting with my wallet, as they say. If enough people do the same, perhaps they'll come around after an iteration or two.

I'm voting with my wallet by not buying the headphone-jack-less iPhone 7, but I don't think enough people will care about the lack of MagSafe. It doesn't prevent you from doing anything, and with everything going SSD (i.e. no data loss if dropped) it's probably easier for Apple to just offer an AppleCare replacement policy if the products do get damaged by being yanked to the floor.

> I'm voting with my wallet by not buying the headphone-jack-less iPhone 7

Same here, I'm fine with the 6S+ for another year.

Re: Apple’s expected Mac event on October 27 is official

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squarf's predictions >mac mini with A10 CPU >MacBook air with the same guts as arm mini >MacBook pros that are more powerful but not more powerfuller enough to satiate tech bloggers >RIP in peace Mac Pro tower >a Siri box for your house

I don't see them making a Mac with a A10. But we'll know for sure on the 27th.

Re: Apple’s expected Mac event on October 27 is official

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As long as there's at least one standard USB-A port, I'm OK with this. I can just replace my Thunderbolt cables and dongles.

I need USB-A so I can plug in my ethernet dongle! Otherwise it's dongles all the way down...

USB-C to USB-A dongle, then USB-A to Ethernet dongle.

Or like the fanboys on the Apple subreddit have pointed out, "who the hell uses wires in 2016". Not sure if certain people are complete apologists or simply out of touch with the real world.

Re: Apple’s expected Mac event on October 27 is official

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> The new MacBook Pro is said to include a redesigned, thinner body with a flatter MacBook-style keyboard, an OLED touch panel that replaces the physical function keys at the top of the keyboard, and Touch ID support. > It is expected to do away with the USB-A port, HDMI port, and SD card slot, featuring just four USB-C ports based on part leaks, and it is said to include support for USB 3.1 and Thunderbolt 3. The fo…

DSL6540s are $10 in 1000 quantity if you're not Apple. If you're Apple or another OEM integrator, you can probably get Intel to give you a pretty healthy shave off that even. $15-20 bucks to make all four ports Thunderbolt is nothing to Apple's bottom line, especially when they can (and probably will) just tack on another $100 to the price to cover it.

This is Apple hardware - even if it's not the best, most advanced hardware out there, it will still fly off the shelves because of the fans/fanboys/startups.

Re: Apple’s expected Mac event on October 27 is official

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squarf's predictions >mac mini with A10 CPU >MacBook air with the same guts as arm mini >MacBook pros that are more powerful but not more powerfuller enough to satiate tech bloggers >RIP in peace Mac Pro tower >a Siri box for your house

I'm not sure how seriously to take your predictions, but although Apple is making some fast and efficient processors these days I think seeing it cross over to their lap/desktop line ups is pretty far out in the future because of software reasons. It's not like a program made for amd64 processor could just run on an ARM one, so most programs people know and love just wont work. Also, emulating 64/32 bit is a pain and…

Actually I think their long term plan will be to switch to ARM processors. Probably not just yet though. They have already made their software compile to platform independent code (I may have the terminology wrong, I'm not super familiar with it), which means all current software should be able to run on ARM. You can check out some more in-depth discussion about this topic here https://www.macobserver.com/columns-opinions/particle-debris...

Re: Apple’s expected Mac event on October 27 is official

#68
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm voting with my wallet, as they say. If enough people do the same, perhaps they'll come around after an iteration or two.

I'm voting with my wallet by not buying the headphone-jack-less iPhone 7, but I don't think enough people will care about the lack of MagSafe. It doesn't prevent you from doing anything, and with everything going SSD (i.e. no data loss if dropped) it's probably easier for Apple to just offer an AppleCare replacement policy if the products do get damaged by being yanked to the floor.

> AppleCare replacement policy if the products do get damaged by being yanked to the floor.

For some reason Macs are the only Apple product not covered for accidental damage by AppleCare. I'm not sure why.

It's not even about margins, the top of the line iPhone costs more than the MacBook Air and it's much prone to accidental damage.

Re: Apple’s expected Mac event on October 27 is official

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If an OLED panel replaces the function keys, that ruins it for me. I mostly run Windows on my late-2013 15" MBPR, and I use the function keys all the time . Especially for debugging. F5, F9, F10, F11 are burned into my brain. I used to be a huge ThinkPad fan, but their wilderness years of bad displays and constant keyboard rearrangement turned me off, so I thought I'd try using my MBPR for Windows work instead. Turns…

> I mostly run Windows on my late-2013 15" MBPR

It's safe to say you're not really Apple's target market :)

Personally, I won't believe this OLED thingie until I actually see it with my own eyes, but with the right support in the OS APIs, might turn out to be a shot in the arm for the laptop concept. Imagine replacing the whole keyboard with an ipad-like touchscreen? Sure, abhorrent for a programmer, but quite exciting for everyone else. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the actual long-term endgame, for which an OLED strip is just a trial balloon.

Re: Apple’s expected Mac event on October 27 is official

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If an OLED panel replaces the function keys, that ruins it for me. I mostly run Windows on my late-2013 15" MBPR, and I use the function keys all the time . Especially for debugging. F5, F9, F10, F11 are burned into my brain. I used to be a huge ThinkPad fan, but their wilderness years of bad displays and constant keyboard rearrangement turned me off, so I thought I'd try using my MBPR for Windows work instead. Turns…

I just bought a new keyboard. There is literally none on the market that has the keys I want in the right places. This makes some sense since there are too many possibilities, but damn is it annoying to have to make tradeoffs. Please someone make a customized keyboard business. I ended up giving up on have a small (in width) keyboard with F keys, separate media keys, and pg up/dwn. Now good luck finding a laptop with…

> There is literally none on the market that has the keys I want in the right places.

If you're referring to laptop keyboard layouts, I agree. So much wasted space on your average macbook for the scrunched up keys they give you. If you're referring to keyboards in general, well, I disagree. There's a lot of custom options out there for almost every keyboard layout you could ever want.

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