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Re: Be Kind

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Post by garethsprice »

Shanea93 wrote: post #41
sparrish wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody should be deploying to production on Friday... Nobody.

My company just had to do it today in response to a critical security issue we identified in production. Saying that nobody should ever do it isn't realistic, sometimes things go wrong on a Friday, sometimes you can't afford to wait 3 days to watch them become even worse.

It's a good rule to live by, and like all rules it can be overridden when the circumstances require.

It's good to instill in your team that Friday deployments should be done only in special circumstances, or they become a habit (and people inevitably end up working Saturday). But yes, sometimes it's necessary.

Re: Be Kind

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Post by muse900 »

When I started of as a junior developer it was in a team of 3. 2 Senior developers and me.

One of them was really kind and a nice guy that was getting along with everyone else in the office (other teams etc). Also he was a very good dev. Nice personal projects, knew what he was talking about, humble and hardworking.

The other developer was aweful. He was slacking a lot, all day on facebook and doing his personal home-owned business over his actual work, not caring to help me at all on any request. We didn't get along, and at first I thought it was my own issue. Later on I realized and having a talk with my manager that noone really was getting along with him. At some point he thought it was a great idea to make an education session, I was like ok he is putting time into it. He then proceedeed telling me that he is gonna teach me the very basics of programming as "we" didnt go to uni, I told him I went to uni and I finished with a Distinction but sure he could tell me whatever. He was trying to teach me things he didnt even understand and I was taught about them at uni. (I understand this is a basic mistake junior devs make think that they know it all, this wasn't the case here, he was trying to teach me some basic CS concepts, I went to uni for it he never went to Uni for it, he was just a programmer, nor he had the interest or hobby to go more intellectual on the matter) This lead me into not trusting him at all, in anything, while the other developer was really kind and he let me on his own to understand that he was a really good developer and I should listen to him.

A year later my performance was really good in the yes of the company, I was producing a lot of stuff etc. The developer that didn't like me was clearly angry at me. He was producing things that could be done in a week in like 3 months. Well long story sort, the company wanted to fire him, although it wasn't very viable at that moment as they would have to pay him cause he was with them for a very long time, so they started a formal process against him by keeping schedule giving him a formal warning etc. He improved etc.

I stayed at the company till I became a developer and a year after. I was working alone on mobile apps, and I remember having a chat about an issue I had for the app and some ios apis and how I tackled it and I remember that dev still trying to tell me what to do and how although he never ever working in a mobile app in his life or any experience in that field whatsoever.

Anyways, please don't be like the 2nd developer, be nice and let junior developers believe in you and understand your actual skills and capacity on their own. You don't need to brag or try to showoff because you might end up making them not trusting you.

Re: Be Kind

#64

Post by onion2k »

gambiting wrote: post #43
sparrish wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody should be deploying to production on Friday... Nobody.

Well, when do you do if you have a submission of your project on Saturday morning, and someone finds a bug on Friday afternoon? You fix it and hope it doesn't break anything else, that's what :P

"Never deploy on a Friday" assumes that you don't work weekends.

Re: Be Kind

#65

Post by tclancy »

onion2k wrote: post #56
crush_xc wrote: post #17

This was literally the biggest issue for when I started at my first job. We had a team member who was terribly condescending and talked down to everyone but especially me. You could tell that he hated the fact that he was on a team with a junior developer and took every chance he had to made sure I knew I wasn't as good as him. It makes a terrifying environment to ask questions because who knows what kind of response…

And that means the developers will all try to fix their own mistakes without bringing issues to the wider team, leading to a worse solution to problems in general. Premadonna "10X" developers might write great code themselves, but if they're pushing the quality of everyone else's code down then the overall effect of having them on the team is a negative. Anyone who treats someone else on the team in that way, regardl…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prima_donna

I will die on this hill.

Re: Be Kind

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Post by kornakiewicz »

Well, this rule applies to basically every field of life. Most (if not all) religions and moral systems have rules that say to respect the others and be kind, even if they are not as we want them to be. But I'm not surprised that it's rediscovered over and over.

Re: Be Kind

#67

Post by savanaly »

hluska wrote: post #44
cheez wrote: post #30

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Oh his behalf, I apologize. I literally started laughing at a junior's code once but in my defense, he had spent 3 years at Amazon.

I'm sorry, but you have no defense. Laughing at a junior developer'a code is completely inexcusable. Simple fact is, if you worked for me, I would have fired you for that. Junior devs are supposed to do bad things - that's why they aren't senior devs.

I think you're quite possibly judging the guy too much based on a simple internet comment.

His statement could mean anything from cruelly laughing in the face of the junior dev during a face to face code review to having a quick heh under his breath from the privacy of his office at the developer's use of "if (foo === true)". Or anything in between.

Re: Be Kind

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Post by matthewmacleod »

sparrish wrote: post #35
phn wrote: post #22

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Well, he'd have to sooner or later. Better start learning as soon as possible :)

Nobody should be deploying to production on Friday... Nobody.

I'd rather have a robust infrastructure and enough confidence that deploys won't break anything that we simple stop paying attention to the day or time!

Re: Be Kind

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Post by ythl »

odammit wrote: post #29

My first job was at an aerospace company in Florida. My boss was so nice. I was really surprised to get the coveted desk in the 60° server room. Coming in off those 90° 100% humidity streets to put on a parka and sit at my workstation wearing fingerless gloves. Man, anybody should be so lucky to apprentice with that guy.

For some reason I am imagining you working in a server room shaped like an equilateral triangle (i.e. the walls of the room meet at a 60° angle)

Re: Be Kind

#70

Post by auganov »

The reverse takeaway is perhaps even more valuable. Most are not going to be as angry as you expect them to be. When you mess up don't hesitate to tell people, it's going to be okay.
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