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Re: Why We Should All Dump Yahoo

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Still. I think its a bit absurd.

This is a site collecting information for a public petition. By definition your GOAL is to share your information publicly. How is it absurd to do so in the open?

What if I decide I don't want to share publicly. By then the contents of the page as I have viewed have been sent unencrypted.

Re: Why We Should All Dump Yahoo

#62

If we wanted to show that we weren't letting them do this without consequence, we'd be suing Yahoo and the Gov't like real Americans. We'd be suing for such an egregious amount that our national debt would look like a bit of pocket change. We would threaten the very life and livelihood of this country if we TRULY cared about our rights and privacy. But no, instead you want us to sign a petition. Give me a break.

Okay, so go find a lawyer willing to make it a class-action and start the suit. Find a list of damages and try to justify the large cost, then file.

Or is angrily commenting on Hacker News easier?

Give me a break.

Re: Why We Should All Dump Yahoo

#63

the only thing I ever liked about yahoo is flickr.. I'll miss it if its gone.

Yahoo Groups has some useful groups of which I've been a member for many years. I'd prefer that they'd just move to Majordomo-ish mailing lists but short of that they're preferable to Facebook Gruops.

There is a mail icon in the top-right of my Yahoo Groups screen which I've never clicked. Hovering over it says 'we're unable to preview your mail'. I'm half-scared of why that is.

Re: Why We Should All Dump Yahoo

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> To be fair, according to this article, Google, Microsoft, Apple, and others have explicitly denied allowing government officials direct access to their servers. Right, but the statements were very carefully crafted PR statements that only implied that there were no similar feeds while leaving open the possibility that there may be. Having watching the industry for some time (Skype's PR denials come to mind as well…

Bruce Schneier agrees with you, which lends your argument some credence to me, but I thought "We’ve never received a request like this, and were we to receive it we’d challenge it in a court" was about as broad and clear a statement as could reasonably be made about this. What would you need them to say?

Something like "We do not have any programs or agreements whatsoever with law enforcement to share any user data or metadata or summaries or analysis of said information. We screen our employees for infiltration from intelligence community members, putting them only in positions where they can not influence our systems without significant risk of discovery and where they can not influence our systems without involving a large number of other people who we empower to contact the public and the media if they see anything suspicious. Furthermore, we have no shareholders or executives with business, security or personal relationships with federal police / national security personnel. Finally, we've designed our product such that the very most minimal set of information and meta information is ever available to us, even if we try, and so the amount of abuse that we could perpetrate is at the very most X, where X can be understood by someone who carefully looks at our design. In addition to this, I and significant parts of our company leadership will step down from our roles if any information contradicting any of this ever comes out."

Though I wouldn't hold my breath.

The wiggle room in "request like this", for example, is huge. That's not something that I'm being particularly pedantic about - it's something we've seen repeated evidence for.

Basically, I've lost trust in the public relations portions of these businesses - which are not empowered to know the truth about what goes on at their organizations to begin with. The only technologies I feel confident placing trust in are ones that don't require placing a trust (forever) in one of these corporations (as well as all future employees and shareholders).

(Twitter is a good example of a company that has held out for a very long time, but has eventually given way to pressure.)

Re: Why We Should All Dump Yahoo

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According to a statement given by yahoo to techcrunch it is a temporary problem. See: https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/10/yahoo-makes-it-difficult-t...

Right, something so basic to mail software that in 2016 it's still under development? I'm glad Engadget saw right through that too. It's pretty obvious they're doing whatever they can from losing users.

it seems that it wasn't forwarding that caused an issue, but rather its interaction with another new feature. For sure, Yahoo deserves more trust than what this article is giving it.

Re: Why We Should All Dump Yahoo

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This is a site collecting information for a public petition. By definition your GOAL is to share your information publicly. How is it absurd to do so in the open?

What if I decide I don't want to share publicly. By then the contents of the page as I have viewed have been sent unencrypted.

Your headers would still be unencrypted -- including the domain and URL you accessed.

Re: Why We Should All Dump Yahoo

#68

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This is a site collecting information for a public petition. By definition your GOAL is to share your information publicly. How is it absurd to do so in the open?

What if I decide I don't want to share publicly. By then the contents of the page as I have viewed have been sent unencrypted.

Exactly what do you not wish to share publicly? Signing a petition is public by definition.

Re: Why We Should All Dump Yahoo

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Right, something so basic to mail software that in 2016 it's still under development? I'm glad Engadget saw right through that too. It's pretty obvious they're doing whatever they can from losing users.

it seems that it wasn't forwarding that caused an issue, but rather its interaction with another new feature. For sure, Yahoo deserves more trust than what this article is giving it.

> For sure, Yahoo deserves more trust than what this article is giving it.

Based on what? Since nuking Geocities Yahoo does not deserve any trust and it has been going steadily down from there.

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