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Libreboot – A free BIOS or UEFI replacement

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Re: Libreboot – A free BIOS or UEFI replacement

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While I agree that most BIOS and/or UEFI installations are just... unacceptable, I don't think that a replacement will do just fine. The initialisation process should be as streamlined as possible, but allow as much control as possible. I would not call a multi-staged boot process "streamlined", when you argue that coreboot is the fastest way to boot up a computer. And then again, the whole process is repeated by the…

There are stages because there are multiple situations in which code has to run in: without RAM, with RAM, ...

I'm curious, what do you propose instead?

Re: Libreboot – A free BIOS or UEFI replacement

#62

While I agree that most BIOS and/or UEFI installations are just... unacceptable, I don't think that a replacement will do just fine. The initialisation process should be as streamlined as possible, but allow as much control as possible. I would not call a multi-staged boot process "streamlined", when you argue that coreboot is the fastest way to boot up a computer. And then again, the whole process is repeated by the…

Those stages are not much different from the 'secret' firmware you're running now.

Re: Libreboot – A free BIOS or UEFI replacement

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I would not recommend their services at all, although I own one of their products. Leah is extremely unresponsive, when I ordered mine it took over 2 months for it to be shipped with no prior indication of this (it should've taken at most 3 weeks to arrive at my home), and any email response from Minifree took at least 3 weeks. Oh, and Leah billed me UK taxes instead of Dutch taxes as per the EU webshop rules, so tha…

Regarding the taxes (referring to the EU only), Minifree didn't do anything wrong: If you buy hardware as an end-consumer, you're being billed the taxes of the originating country (in this case, the UK). That's different for most services, e.g. if you ship a laptop to Minifree and they just flash it and send it back, they have to bill the taxes of your country. If they do any of it differently, they're doing a mistak…

I thought most mainboards let you flash your own BIOS/UEFI using USB. Why ship a laptop?

Re: Libreboot – A free BIOS or UEFI replacement

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Chromebook C201 is very recent (currently sold new), supercheap (<$200), and can run not only Libreboot, but completely blob-free. Not even CPU microcode is needed.

Is it possible to put bigger hard drive in it? 16GB is very limiting.

apparently, it has an eMMC soldered to the motherboard instead of a HDD/SSD...

Re: Libreboot – A free BIOS or UEFI replacement

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People who've worked at the FSF say it is very progressive and open to transgenders. The idea that they would fire someone for being trans is just outrageous.

The claim isn't exactly that: "A transgender employee at the FSF was being harassed by a transphobic colleague for being trans. The trans person, not the bully, was then fired when they stood up for themselves, because it was seen as trouble making while the bully remained silent."

Your source for that is from Leah Rowe who has proven in this situation to be untrustworthy. Read the discussion on `gnu-prog-discuss`[0]. The employee being trans was not the issue.

[0]: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-09/msg0003...

Re: Libreboot – A free BIOS or UEFI replacement

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The claim isn't exactly that: "A transgender employee at the FSF was being harassed by a transphobic colleague for being trans. The trans person, not the bully, was then fired when they stood up for themselves, because it was seen as trouble making while the bully remained silent."

Your source for that is from Leah Rowe who has proven in this situation to be untrustworthy. Read the discussion on `gnu-prog-discuss`[0]. The employee being trans was not the issue. [0]: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-09/msg0003...

Yes, my source for the claim is the author of the claim. And I cited it to point out that Leah Rowe doesn't claim that just being trans was the issue, but that it was the fact that the employee spoke up against the bullying.

Re: Libreboot – A free BIOS or UEFI replacement

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post #61

While I agree that most BIOS and/or UEFI installations are just... unacceptable, I don't think that a replacement will do just fine. The initialisation process should be as streamlined as possible, but allow as much control as possible. I would not call a multi-staged boot process "streamlined", when you argue that coreboot is the fastest way to boot up a computer. And then again, the whole process is repeated by the…

There are stages because there are multiple situations in which code has to run in: without RAM, with RAM, ... I'm curious, what do you propose instead?

Oh, nothing, everything is just perfectly fine.

Re: Libreboot – A free BIOS or UEFI replacement

#68

While I agree that most BIOS and/or UEFI installations are just... unacceptable, I don't think that a replacement will do just fine. The initialisation process should be as streamlined as possible, but allow as much control as possible. I would not call a multi-staged boot process "streamlined", when you argue that coreboot is the fastest way to boot up a computer. And then again, the whole process is repeated by the…

Those stages are not much different from the 'secret' firmware you're running now.

That's exactly the point. If their existence doesn't change anything, why do they exist? Extra control, transparency? But no extra functionality for/with the hardware? So, why the alternative?

Re: Libreboot – A free BIOS or UEFI replacement

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post #53

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Regarding the taxes (referring to the EU only), Minifree didn't do anything wrong: If you buy hardware as an end-consumer, you're being billed the taxes of the originating country (in this case, the UK). That's different for most services, e.g. if you ship a laptop to Minifree and they just flash it and send it back, they have to bill the taxes of your country. If they do any of it differently, they're doing a mistak…

I thought most mainboards let you flash your own BIOS/UEFI using USB. Why ship a laptop?

These laptops require a dedicated programmer, and they're the most up-to-date laptop models that come without remote manufacturer backdoor ("Management Engine").

I won't have the time to set this up myself soon, so I went ahead and bought one. It's my rainy day laptop.

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