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Introducing Marketplace: Buy and Sell with Your Local Community

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Re: Introducing Marketplace: Buy and Sell with Your Local Community

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post #53

Possibly a stupid question, but is there a way to access this without installing the app? I can't find any way to access it through a browser.

Not a stupid question at all. I refuse to install the app on my phone for both privacy and productivity (distraction) reasons.

The distraction issue is why I uninstalled it. I find myself having to "request desktop" version when I want to read messages on my phone rather than install the messenger app.

Re: Introducing Marketplace: Buy and Sell with Your Local Community

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post #53

Possibly a stupid question, but is there a way to access this without installing the app? I can't find any way to access it through a browser.

Not a stupid question at all. I refuse to install the app on my phone for both privacy and productivity (distraction) reasons.

Third reason is battery life, too.

Re: Introducing Marketplace: Buy and Sell with Your Local Community

#63

More services means more data for them to exploit. Weak on privacy guarantees = whatever services they offer are heavily mined for your data. When it comes to sales, craigslist is useful because it allows you to remain anonymous. With FB, I seem to be exposing exactly who I am, where I live, what I have for sale. In places with high crime rates, this opens me up to becoming a victim, as perps can search this informat…

>With FB, I seem to be exposing exactly who I am, where I live, what I have for sale.

Similar to that Vernor Vinge story about true names.

Re: Introducing Marketplace: Buy and Sell with Your Local Community

#64

Facebook's come under a lot of heat for refusing to moderate the buying and selling of firearms in Groups, often in violation of local laws[1]. Hopefully their moderation standards will be higher on Marketplace. [1]: https://medium.com/@monteiro/this-article-first-appeared-in-...

This is exactly the opposite of my experience. FB has been extremely successful in shutting down any and all local firearms sales groups. It was the impetus behind my own decision to boycott Facebook permanently.

Re: Introducing Marketplace: Buy and Sell with Your Local Community

#66
post #29

Good for Facebook. My wife has been buying and selling things on individual Facebook groups for years before this official marketplace. Selling on Facebook is hands down a vastly better experience than selling things on Craigslist in every way - especially if you live in a market that is too small for a designated Craigslist area. Our real world experience: 1) Hyperlocal - Our city of 40k-50k is 40 miles from the nea…

> 5) Built-in messaging allows you an easier way to communicate meeting details privately without having to give your phone number or email address.

Your notion of "private" is a little strange. Facebook offers the illusion of private transactions by effectively robbing everyone of their privacy - in other words, that is how they established themselves as the pre-eminent and now possibly only two sided marketplace for the "common folks". This is like thanking the local thugs for keeping peace in the streets so that people can go about their local commerce in a peaceful way.

Contrast this to all the other things we actually consider private: face to face meetings, phone conversations (ok, not so much anymore), sending physical letters (again...), etc. where there is, or used to be, a somewhat reasonable expectation that the conduit facilitating your private interaction was not gathering all that information to be packaged off to the highest bidder.

Also, just wait until one day your customer realizes he/she is being targeted with ads based on stuff they bought from you and from someone else, which when combined exposes them in some way they would rather not have been. You just might wish you were merely dealing with the "spammers and scammers" instead, in which case there is usually at least the possibility of recourse.

Yes, all my criticisms can be directed at internet commerce in general. It is only FB which has had a history of leaving a lot of things unsaid in a way which makes their users feel like idiots once people realize exactly why those things were left unsaid. For e.g., I bet no one actually asked FB if they are going to show ads on WhatsApp, instead choosing to believe and then applaud the WhatsApp founders for their stance on ads. On hindsight, people are now realizing that MZ never actually gave a shit what the WhatsApp founder said or did, and was only too happy to let everyone make complete fools of themselves.

I can pull out a story here which would tell people exactly what MZ thinks of his users in general, but unfortunately I am starting to now think that MZ was spot-on with his assessment.

Re: Introducing Marketplace: Buy and Sell with Your Local Community

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Neztdoor is just starting to try to monetize their network now. Would not be hugely surprised if Facebook ended up buying it.

Nextdoor right (sic)? That is a pretty astute observation... I could totally see that happening considering how Nextdoor users have their physical addresses verified, etc.

I would hate for Facebook to buy Nextdoor out. But I think Facebook knows how deep the Nextdoor has gotten itself into their market.

Re: Introducing Marketplace: Buy and Sell with Your Local Community

#69
post #53

Possibly a stupid question, but is there a way to access this without installing the app? I can't find any way to access it through a browser.

Not a stupid question at all. I refuse to install the app on my phone for both privacy and productivity (distraction) reasons.

I use Facebook from the browser on a computer for better privacy (block ads, tracking cookies) and for a much better experience. There are many things that any browser enables by virtue of just being a browser that the app does not support (just two examples for now - copying a permalink to a post or comment in order to refer to it elsewhere, and Find in Page to look for specific text on the page). Additionally, the what Facebook displays and how it displays things vary a lot when comparing a desktop browser interface and the app.

Re: Introducing Marketplace: Buy and Sell with Your Local Community

#70
post #29

Good for Facebook. My wife has been buying and selling things on individual Facebook groups for years before this official marketplace. Selling on Facebook is hands down a vastly better experience than selling things on Craigslist in every way - especially if you live in a market that is too small for a designated Craigslist area. Our real world experience: 1) Hyperlocal - Our city of 40k-50k is 40 miles from the nea…

3) Way fewer scammers and spammers since you have to use your real name.

4) You know who you are meeting and what they look like (again - real name, single account requirement).

5) Built-in messaging

This also means someone can harrass the crap out of you for whatever reason they want regarding the item.

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