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Re: An AWS Region is coming to France

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Post by discodave »

runeks wrote: post #37
solatic wrote: post #35

There is STILL no AWS region in Israel. All Internet traffic in and out of Israel goes through three undersea cables connecting the country with Turkey, Greece, and Italy, and as such suffer from the kind of lag that happens when you're separated from your destination server by a couple thousand kilometers, usually more. There are no local cloud providers and the local entrepreneurial culture (which is MASSIVE for su…

Amazon will come to Israel if they deem it profitable. They aren't exactly Google Fiber though, so I think they would avoid locating themselves in areas with poor connectivity options in the first place.

Not really, from AWS perspective it's about locating regions close to potential customers with $$$ and a desire for a local region. That desire might be due to regulatory requirements or poor connectivity to other regions.

Re: An AWS Region is coming to France

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Post by discodave »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #39
solatic wrote: post #35

There is STILL no AWS region in Israel. All Internet traffic in and out of Israel goes through three undersea cables connecting the country with Turkey, Greece, and Italy, and as such suffer from the kind of lag that happens when you're separated from your destination server by a couple thousand kilometers, usually more. There are no local cloud providers and the local entrepreneurial culture (which is MASSIVE for su…

> the local entrepreneurial culture (which is MASSIVE for such a small country) > (the local VPS shops have little incentive to upgrade) > Do we have to beg for Amazon to come here?! I'm surprised nobody has stepped in and built out their own cloud offering.

Market likely isn't big enough.

Re: An AWS Region is coming to France

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Post by chillacy »

Cshelton wrote: post #45
idlewords wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you: 1) Keeping keys to extremely sensitive financial data on a cloud server 2) Confident that the US government won't request this information through warrant or national security letter 3) Asking for advice about this on a message board?

1) They are in a key management service (not AWS). Highly unlikely somebody will get both access to the keys and the data together. They are also rotated periodically. 2) Well lately, I'm not. The Apple/FBI case was somewhat assuring. And I believe that to date, AWS has not handed over any data or keys without permission. 3) More theoretical advice about the new French region. What are the laws about privacy and how…

The Apple FBI case only happened because Apple was physically unable to hand over the data, since they had no access to it. If you have the keys, you have access to the data presumably, and you'll be giving it up once you're compelled to by the government (see Lavabit).

Re: An AWS Region is coming to France

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Post by boznz »

solatic wrote: post #35

There is STILL no AWS region in Israel. All Internet traffic in and out of Israel goes through three undersea cables connecting the country with Turkey, Greece, and Italy, and as such suffer from the kind of lag that happens when you're separated from your destination server by a couple thousand kilometers, usually more. There are no local cloud providers and the local entrepreneurial culture (which is MASSIVE for su…

Nothing in NZ either, 2500KM minimum for our data to go to get to any of the large cloud service providers in Sydney. Worth the lag though for the cost savings.

Re: An AWS Region is coming to France

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Post by LoneWolf »

BillinghamJ wrote: post #58
LoneWolf wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know how it currently compares with AWS but some time ago the disk IO was a lot slower, and the prices were way higher. Does anyone know of recent comparisons?

Prices are still way higher

AWS it will continue to be then.

Re: An AWS Region is coming to France

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Post by vacri »

grif-fin wrote: post #26
ceejayoz wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're big enough that switching regions in the console is a regular pain, you're probably big enough to just automate stuff via the APIs.

This maybe a fact but not an excuse for poor user experience.

I'm not sure what a console that performs the current tasks and spans multiple regions at once would look like, or that it would make things feel simpler.

What's your suggestion for improving the UX?

Re: An AWS Region is coming to France

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Post by otterley »

5h wrote: post #4

Still no further info on the London region since their announcement post[1] said: > Today, I am excited to add the United Kingdom to that list! The AWS UK region will be our third in the European Union (EU), and we're shooting to have it ready by the end of 2016 (or early 2017). This region will provide even lower latency and strong data sovereignty to local users. [1] http://www.allthingsdistributed.com/2015/11/aws-…

AWS Re:Invent is coming up in early December; I wouldn't be surprised if they announced general availability by then.

Re: An AWS Region is coming to France

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Post by solatic »

discodave wrote: post #60
solatic wrote: post #35

There is STILL no AWS region in Israel. All Internet traffic in and out of Israel goes through three undersea cables connecting the country with Turkey, Greece, and Italy, and as such suffer from the kind of lag that happens when you're separated from your destination server by a couple thousand kilometers, usually more. There are no local cloud providers and the local entrepreneurial culture (which is MASSIVE for su…

To figure out where the next AWS regions are going, go down the wikipedia list of countries by GDP and try to think which large markets are not well served yet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP) In the Middle East there are several markets larger than Israel, and putting a region in Israel will probably not be tenable for Egypt, Saudi Arabia and the like. There is no region in Africa... Rus…

But most of the Middle East and Africa aren't wired up well enough to begin with let alone have strong entrepreneurial cultures to push for local cloud adoption. Israel has a booming startup culture, they just all must use European clouds if they decide to go with a cloud infrastructure (and the vast majority of them do).

Fast connections there are also few and far between in the Middle East and Africa. In Israel, LTE is ubiquitous in urban areas, most residences have either DOCSIS 3.0 or Fiber-to-the-curb, and a nationwide FTTH infrastructure is being built out currently. Domestic connections are great - the problem is just that almost nothing is hosted domestically.

Eastern Europe / Western Russia sounds like a good idea to me, although I'm not familiar with their local Internet topologies.

Re: An AWS Region is coming to France

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Post by M2Ys4U »

LyalinDotCom wrote: post #54

Its worth commenting that we here in Microsoft Azure team (our cloud platform) have data centers in 30 regions including UK, Germany, etc. https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/regions/ Our platform is very mature now I wish more folks would give it a shot. p.s. we also take EU people data privacy very seriously. https://www.thefastmode.com/technology-solutions/9077-micros...

> p.s. we also take EU people data privacy very seriously.

Hmmm. I find that very hard to believe.

MS is going to have to be _very_ good for a _long_ time to overcome firing the late Caspar Bowden (then MS' chief privacy adviser) for telling regional managers that the NSA can pwn their customers' data. https://twitter.com/casparbowden/status/542588420611379201

Re: An AWS Region is coming to France

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Post by grif-fin »

vacri wrote: post #66
grif-fin wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This maybe a fact but not an excuse for poor user experience.

I'm not sure what a console that performs the current tasks and spans multiple regions at once would look like, or that it would make things feel simpler. What's your suggestion for improving the UX?

Extending the UX with "the current tasks and spans multiple regions at once" is definitely NOT the right way.

I believe the current sub-categorizing of services:

API Gateway, AppStream, AWS IoT, Certificate Manager, CloudFormation, CloudFront, CloudSearch, CloudTrail, CloudWatch, CodeCommit, CodeDeploy, CodePipeline, Cognito, Config, Data Pipeline, Device Farm, Direct Connect, Directory Service, DMS, DynamoDB, EC2, EC2 Container Service, Elastic Beanstalk, Elastic File System, Elastic Transcoder, ElastiCache, Elasticsearch Service, EMR, GameLift, Glacier, IAM, Inspector, Kinesis, Lambda, Machine Learning, Mobile Analytics, Mobile Hub, OpsWorks, RDS, Redshift, Route 53, S3, Service Catalog, SES, Snowball, SNS, SQS, Storage Gateway, SWF, Trusted Advisor, VPC, WAF, WorkDocs, WorkMail, WorkSpaces.

is not helpful and confusing for new users. This is because all the mentioned services are a mix of dependent (e.g. ECS depends on EC2), independent(e.g. IAM & EC2), security, services acting like plugins.

The documents for all of these services can be a sequel novel. If you have been with AWS since 2012 you may have gradually been updated by each service that was getting blindly added but for a new user or a startup aiming to setup something or test the scalability of their application ASAP it is a nightmare.

The other day I found out (in a hard way) that you cannot launch an EC2 instance with an AWS container agent from the default launch page but you need to go to the launch page via the document link which puts extra parameters in the url...

Having said all that I believe the improvement needs to be more fundamental than couple of bullet points.

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