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Re: Arch Linux adapted for Windows Subsystem for Linux

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You need to run separate GPUs to achieve this though don't you?

You can run your host OS using the integrated graphics and assign the dedicated card to the Windows VM

I'm having a hard time finding any information about that. Anything you can point me to?

Ideally, I'd like to use 2x1080 (sli) with Windows KVM guest and then use the integrated graphics for Linux host.

Re: Arch Linux adapted for Windows Subsystem for Linux

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What kind scenarios do you find it useful in? I.e. when would you use it instead of native Linux for the same purpose?

Mostly just when I first got my laptop and didn't have Linux on it, yet. Which, I guess is begging the question..."When would you use WSL?" "Well, you know, those times when I used it." So...the answer is I would never use it over native Linux, except when I happen to be in Windows and need to use Linux. The people who currently run a VM with Linux in it on their Windows machine are an excellent target audience. I wo…

I just thought about other scenario. Some restricted corporate environment which forbids running Linux natively.

Re: Arch Linux adapted for Windows Subsystem for Linux

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Okay I understand, and I more or less feel the same way for the most part. Although I use Linux 95% of the time, and I think Windows has lost its way a little. I would disagree that it isn't robust. The kernel at least is quite excellent. But that's another topic. Sorry for raising this issue, it's the "I will pay $1000's of dollars for hardware, and games", but I can't spare change for an OS that got me started. Apo…

No apologies needed :) Oh, and I also think the Windows kernel is quite excellent. Based on my past experience with how quickly my laptop battery is being depleted, I also feel like Windows 7 saves more energy than Ubuntu. It is just that with the advent of Windows 10, I cannot help but feel like Microsoft adopts some infantilizing practices which I cannot stand. In particular, that my OS is permanently communicating…

Yes that's right, it's so complicated nobody on the planet understands what is running on the thing or even where to begin to find out anymore, which is a shame, there was a time when it was quite pristine.

I recently switched back over to Linux for full time development and it really is like a breath of fresh air.

Re: Arch Linux adapted for Windows Subsystem for Linux

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Or you could just only play Linux games. I mean sure, you'll eventually get tired of Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of Mordor. But when that happens you can just play Shadow of Mordor.

anecdotal, but about 2/3 of the games in my steam library had linux versions available when i switched to desktop linux a couple of years ago. granted, i'm not exactly a aaa title kind of guy

Looks like they're up around 25% overall, just comparing these two catalog filters that (mostly) exclude DLC:

http://store.steampowered.com/search/?category1=998&os=linux http://store.steampowered.com/search/?category1=998&os=win

2644 games for Linux, and 10750 results for Windows. There's a good deal of high-profile stuff, but Linux support definitely does skew toward the indie side of things.

Re: Arch Linux adapted for Windows Subsystem for Linux

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Embrace, extend, extinguish. Although I'm guessing a few devs are in the boat with "all company PCs must be windows." Gives them an out no?

No this is not that. The idea is some frameworks/platforms have become nix first, ex. Ruby, Python to an extent Java etc. OCaml to only name some. Windows Subsytem for Linux is about bringing these nix first developer plats to Windows and help developers like me to remain on Windows.

ummmmm.... that is the "embrace" part.

you're all idiots.

Re: Arch Linux adapted for Windows Subsystem for Linux

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Embrace, extend, extinguish. Although I'm guessing a few devs are in the boat with "all company PCs must be windows." Gives them an out no?

No this is not that. The idea is some frameworks/platforms have become nix first, ex. Ruby, Python to an extent Java etc. OCaml to only name some. Windows Subsytem for Linux is about bringing these nix first developer plats to Windows and help developers like me to remain on Windows.

It may be that Microsoft is doing their usual embrace and extend, perhaps the extinguish part is not possible these days.

This is an interesting effect there, that due to WSL, there will be less perceived need to support windows for development tools. However, isn't WSL aimed mainly at developers? Regular users won't be turning it on. So if you're developing the next dropbox with clients written in Ruby, you'll still need a ruby and gems that run on Windows. i.e. to support end users, we'll still need dev tools that run on Windows. edit: Server-based stuff not so much, and server-based stuff is the main thing these days, to put it clumsily.

Re: Arch Linux adapted for Windows Subsystem for Linux

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Thanks for putting that answer together. It's generally how I feel. "come up with a whole other business in order to make income from it" You really hit the nerve there. And is not that I'm naive enough not to think that marketing function and all the rest shouldn't exist. It's just sheer frustration. Cheers

There is a goldmine of unique historical discussion on free software business models on the "Free Software Business" mailing list archives, going back to 1994. Includes industry luminaries including Cygnus/RedHat founders. Content is hard to navigate but priceless, needs to be rescued and imported into a modern mailing list archiver. http://www.crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?ddn:0:0#b

Thanks!

Re: Arch Linux adapted for Windows Subsystem for Linux

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I am currently dual booting between Arch Linux and Windows 10. Moving to something like this one day makes me conflicted. On one hand I feel like I would betray open source, on the other hand I wouldn't have to restart my machine to play games...

If your hardware supports it, you may be able to pull a 180 and run a Windows VM on the bare metal using hardware passthrough. There's a great community here: https://www.reddit.com/r/vfio

http://vfio.blogspot.com/ is another good resource for this. The hardware recommendations will become outdated over time, but otherwise it's great.

Re: Arch Linux adapted for Windows Subsystem for Linux

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No this is not that. The idea is some frameworks/platforms have become nix first, ex. Ruby, Python to an extent Java etc. OCaml to only name some. Windows Subsytem for Linux is about bringing these nix first developer plats to Windows and help developers like me to remain on Windows.

It may be that Microsoft is doing their usual embrace and extend, perhaps the extinguish part is not possible these days. This is an interesting effect there, that due to WSL, there will be less perceived need to support windows for development tools. However, isn't WSL aimed mainly at developers? Regular users won't be turning it on. So if you're developing the next dropbox with clients written in Ruby, you'll still…

Correct, but a LOT of developers today write code that eventually runs on Linux in the cloud. With WSL, such developers using Windows will not leave for OS X/Linux
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