If it doesn't happen now, what 's the probability that Hilary/Donald would grant pardon?
Donald Trump wants Edward Snowden executed, extrajudicially if necessary.
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130624/17270323599/donal...
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, from a political point of view, Snowden is just a guy, and he did what he could do already. Pardoned or shot dead, makes little difference now (well, chilling effect is certainly even worse if the latter happened tomorrow, but its bad enough as it is). The important thing would be wistleblower protection laws changes that would protect a future Snowden from this situation.
Edward Snowden is hugely valuable politically because he stood up to the intelligence agencies and survived (so far). Most importantly, we have a moral obligation to get him pardoned. Snowden sacrificed a great deal already. He doesn't need to be martyred, he should be allowed to return home and continue his life.
oh no doubt, what was done to him is atrocious and repugnant. I was only trying out an argument that politically his fate is no longer important, and it is of greater value to focus on what will protect the next Snowden better.
It's still clearly a moral imperative to help Snowden.
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#64I believe when you wrote "socialist" you meant "authoritarianist"? Please don't mix-up those two concepts
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#65Sorry Snowden but I don't support anything what "George Soros" support, i read you book,interview [...] but you are on wrong side of barricade https://www.google.co.uk/#q=gorge+soros "Some results may have been removed under data protection law in Europe. Learn more" http://commieblaster.com/george-soros-fund/ http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-08/how-george-soros-si... http://www.infowars.com/soros-admits-respons…
What if I told you George Soros likes dogs? Better close down all animal shelters!
Communist/democrats way of thinking
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#66Maybe a naive question, but what would the risk be for me to sign this? I wonder if I (a US citizen) might get trouble the next time at the border? Or get a higher score in some database, that combined with other things might get me into trouble? Increased scrutiny from the IRS (which should have nothing to do with this, but "they" might say hell why not?)? Inability to get security clearances in future? Being target…
As an US citizen, you don't have to fear, you have freedom of speech.
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#67But he didn't just leak information concerning his homeland. He actually leaked information about allies of his homeland e.g. the UK. I'm pretty sure that alone will ensure he won't get pardoned. It could cause one of the biggest diplomatic incidents in history between the US and UK. Particularly with Theresa May as PM - who has been instrumental for years in building up the security services powers.
The UK is even more one-sided totalitarian in their views on state surveillance, so you got a point there.
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#68Also don't forget about Manning who actually went to prison and is not getting any publicity now.
Just last night on the radio they were talking about Manning ending a hunger strike and getting some medical attention and having the surgery suggested by her psych doctor.
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#69Maybe a naive question, but what would the risk be for me to sign this? I wonder if I (a US citizen) might get trouble the next time at the border? Or get a higher score in some database, that combined with other things might get me into trouble? Increased scrutiny from the IRS (which should have nothing to do with this, but "they" might say hell why not?)? Inability to get security clearances in future? Being target…
You know what? I don't think that's an unreasonable concern and it's exactly why this situation is so horrible. It's the return cold war communism paranoia. "Of course I'm allowed to do this, but will this get me on some watchlist?"
I guess the ethical answer is that, the more people will sign this (think a million?), the less likely it is to be used as some kind of filter. Even though what's one million names in a database? Sigh... Awful.
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#70Sorry Snowden but I don't support anything what "George Soros" support, i read you book,interview [...] but you are on wrong side of barricade https://www.google.co.uk/#q=gorge+soros "Some results may have been removed under data protection law in Europe. Learn more" http://commieblaster.com/george-soros-fund/ http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-08/how-george-soros-si... http://www.infowars.com/soros-admits-respons…
Wait, Snowden is "on the wrong side of barricade" because someone supported him? Not supporting someone because someone else who you don't support is supporting him is not a valid argument in any situation.
Everything what Soros touch() turns into ash