CIA doesn't have these problems, for better or for worse.
Thanks In-Q-Tel
The FBI Says It Can't Find Hackers to Hire Because They All Smoke Pot (2014)
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Re: The FBI Says It Can't Find Hackers to Hire Because They All Smoke Pot (2014)
#62How about because those whom are skilled and ethical view a lot of the work that the government would use them for to be unethical and against the principles upon which their country is founded? What if they feel that someone like Edward Snowden is a true patriot, for standing up and doing the correct thing in the most viable way offered to him? Or maybe, after a lifetime of experiencing government bureaucracy in sch…
Easier to blame the pot, I think.
Re: The FBI Says It Can't Find Hackers to Hire Because They All Smoke Pot (2014)
#63Three years seems like an unreasonable timespan. They might end up with people who have little to no social skills with that kind of policy. I don't mean to say that not abstaining for that length of time is abnormal, but young people who are the most adept and skilled with new technologies are bound to find themselves in a situation where they take a hit. I wonder if the drug tests after that are regularly scheduled…
Now that it's been legalized in Oregon, there are marijuana stores all over. But before that, I don't even know where'd you'd get the stuff. Occasionally when I'd ride a train to work at 4 AM, somebody would come up and try to buy it from me; so I guess I look like a drug dealer. In states where it's illegal, do you just wander the streets at night asking people for pot, and hope it's not laced with rat poison? I've…
In states where it's illegal, do you just wander the streets at night asking people for pot, and hope it's not laced with rat poison?
First off, it is the rare businessperson who sees harming their customer as the road to success. But such antics do occasionally happen, so I won't belabor it.
Second, you live in Oregon? Unless you live with a restrictive religious sect, I guarantee at least one of your friends gets high. Figure out who it is, ask them. I'm sure Portland, like Seattle, has a park or two; put your hoodie on and go for a walk. Or just ask the internet these days.
All moot for you now, as you swing by the store on the way home.
Re: The FBI Says It Can't Find Hackers to Hire Because They All Smoke Pot (2014)
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
False. NSA is definitely 10 years [1]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Scope_Background_Invest...
You can still pass your investigation if you've done drugs in the last 10 years but you do have to disclose it and sign a form that states you won't do it again or associate with anyone who does while you have a clearance (edit: or at least that's how it was 10 years ago). The purpose of clearance investigations isn't to dig up dirt in order to hurt you you, it's to find out what dirt foreign intel services can dig u…
Now, you may have experimented up to a certain very low threshold (something like experimented with marijuana less than 3-5x in your life) before applying for your first clearance. You are still fucked if you have a clearance and do drugs, ever.
Re: The FBI Says It Can't Find Hackers to Hire Because They All Smoke Pot (2014)
#65CIA doesn't have these problems, for better or for worse. Thanks In-Q-Tel
That's because the CIA doesn't hire without a criminal record. And smoking weed alone is probably not enough of a criminal record for the CIA.
Re: The FBI Says It Can't Find Hackers to Hire Because They All Smoke Pot (2014)
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
A survey of the general population is not really appropriate for a hyper-niche demographic like talented hackers (the ones they want to hire). There's plenty of mooks out there who want to do the minimum work possible and unsurprising that a general poll would account for a lot of them. That's not to say that you are a mook if you want that, but that idea of a 'safe job' is not something that's particularly big in th…
> That's not to say that you are a mook if you want that, but that idea of a 'safe job' is not something that's particularly big in the hacker world. The article is from German media. I can't speak for the US, but in Germany it leaves a bad impression if you switch jobs too often. Also in the last 15 years (in particular under the Schröder administration (from 1998-2005)) in Germany there were lots of reforms of the…
It seems that you guys are trying to have your cake and eat it too. So... you're saying that the FBI is having trouble hiring hackers because... they don't pay the salaries of Silicon Valley, and don't offer job permanence of a German government job.
Besides, if talented hackers were so majorly set on permanence in their jobs, there'd be no game studios.
Re: The FBI Says It Can't Find Hackers to Hire Because They All Smoke Pot (2014)
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't mean to defend the FBI's activites, I just mean to note that if your reason for being is "opposing X", then it's reasonable that you check your employees for X. The FBI opposes drugs big time. It doesn't care about people speeding in cars.
> The FBI opposes drugs big time. It doesn't care about people speeding in cars. First: If the FBI opposes drugs: then they should at least as strongly oppose nicotine and (in particular) alcohol, too. Oh, you mean drugs that are by some historic accident illegal. Second: Do the cybersecurity jobs one does at the FBI have any property that will prevent former pot smokers doing them? If not, it's simply a discriminati…
Isn't the management of alcohol and tobacco in the US hived off to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms?
Re: The FBI Says It Can't Find Hackers to Hire Because They All Smoke Pot (2014)
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
Using BleachBit on servers, smashing devices with hammers to destroy hard drives, and straight up losing dozens of devices with classified information on them? At best its got some real subpar optics, and even being charitable and assuming no ill intent, it looks bumbling and incompetent.
At best its got some real subpar optics, and even being charitable and assuming no ill intent, it looks bumbling and incompetent. Okay. But are those things criminal? The parent of this chain mentioned the FBI recommending against prosecution, implying criminal acts occurred, so I think this posit is non-ignorable.
Personal opinion: they were criminal, and anyone without Clinton's level of political clout would have been vigorously prosecuted. As another example, consider Aaron Schwartz, who was hounded to death by the State (possibly not the FBI?) over Copyright infringement.
It boils my blood that seemingly half of the USA want to give Clinton a free pass on this, just because she's on "their side".
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#70So even the article says the main reason they can't hire good hackers is that the can't offer reasonable compensation, long term career prospects etc. But het, much easier to blame those hackers for smoking pot. This is just a stupid excuse for why he is not doing his job effectively.
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