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Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by spacehunt »

Ologn wrote: post #17
GrinningFool wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My uninformed guess would say that a sampling of a significant number of apps showed that they rendered fine, and they deemed it worth the trade-off that some may not. The logic probably went along the lines of: it's better for the user to have this feature that works with X% of what they already have installed than to force them to wait for the developers of each and every app to decide if/when they want to get arou…

> a sampling of a significant number of apps showed that they rendered fine The problem is they break the API all the time, and this leaves Google Play strewn with broken apps. This may break 1% of apps, the next release breaks another 1%, after 10 releases, 10% of the apps not updated are broken. Here's an example, I go to Google Play and search for "ringtone maker" ( https://play.google.com/store/search?q=ringtone%…

It looks like the app tries to do its own audio file parsing and (wrongly) assumes .aac files are always MP4 containers [0] rather than as ADTS.

So perhaps not the best example of what you're trying to say.

[0] https://github.com/malizadehq/ringdroid/blob/master/src/com/...

Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by adamors »

luma wrote: post #42
primo44 wrote: post #35

No Android 7 on my Nexus 5 might just be what pushes me to iOS. I've gone from being an Android evangelist to being an Android apologist ("Yeah, battery life sucks. Google has failed to fix it after X years") to now being, frankly, pissed off that my expensive phone is going to be left behind.

> my expensive phone is going to be left behind. You bought a $350 phone and received updates for 3 years. I think you're in for a surprise when you price out a new iPhone.

The iPhone SE is similarly priced and iOS devices receive updates for more than 3 years. iPhone 5 for instance got and runs fine iOS 9, 4 years after release.

Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by mscrivo »

andrewblossom wrote: post #49
primo44 wrote: post #35

No Android 7 on my Nexus 5 might just be what pushes me to iOS. I've gone from being an Android evangelist to being an Android apologist ("Yeah, battery life sucks. Google has failed to fix it after X years") to now being, frankly, pissed off that my expensive phone is going to be left behind.

The Nexus 5 (16gb - $349, 32gb - $399) was released nearly three years ago for a fraction of the price of the comparable iPhone at the time (iPhone 5s: 16gb - $649, 32gb - $749). I think you got a hell of a deal. Upgrade to the 5x for another $350 be happy with another few years of support. Or wait for the new Nexus phones to come out this fall...

The only thing I'd add here is that unfortunately the Nexus 5x is not an upgrade over the 5 in terms of performance. It might even be a downgrade (I own both). Because the 5x uses a 64-bit arch, it uses more RAM than the 5x (and both only have 2GB). Also, the SD808 (2GHz) cores in the 5x are hardly a step up from the SD800 (2.2GHz) cores. The only real upgrade the 5x gives you is the camera.

Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by david-given »

benzor wrote: post #41
primo44 wrote: post #35

No Android 7 on my Nexus 5 might just be what pushes me to iOS. I've gone from being an Android evangelist to being an Android apologist ("Yeah, battery life sucks. Google has failed to fix it after X years") to now being, frankly, pissed off that my expensive phone is going to be left behind.

FWIW, I've deliberately kept my Nexus 5 on Android 4.4.4 and it runs as well as the first day I bought it 2.5 years ago. Multi-day battery life, no compatibility issues (because no OS updates), all the latest apps still run on it, etc. Not to mention it was an affordable phone even when it was brand new. Very happy with it overall; I can easily see it lasting me another few years.

I have an Android ADP1 --- one of the original development phones, the HTC Dream with the custom paint job. It's got 192MB of RAM and a single-core 528MB ARM11. It ran Cupcake, aka Android 1.5 (although I've since upgraded it to,

If you ignore the hilarious security bugs --- like the fact that, as shipped, they forgot to disconnect the keyboard from a root shell, so that if you typed 'reboot' into an email hilarious things happened --- it actually runs rather well; it's smooth and perfectly satisfactory to use.

...holy crap Cupcake would run well on a modern phone.

Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by [deleted] »

primo44 wrote: post #35

No Android 7 on my Nexus 5 might just be what pushes me to iOS. I've gone from being an Android evangelist to being an Android apologist ("Yeah, battery life sucks. Google has failed to fix it after X years") to now being, frankly, pissed off that my expensive phone is going to be left behind.

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Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by icebraining »

wlesieutre wrote: post #24
magila wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really surprising given the device's age, but still disappointing given the presumably rather large number of Nexus 5 still in use. The bigger story may be the inability to come up with a compelling reason for N5 users to upgrade, other than getting the latest OS revision. The N5's compactness in particular makes the 5X (and the impending successor, codenamed "Sailfish") a tough sell.

> Not really surprising given the device's age Nexus 5 released late 2013, last major OS update in late 2015. Compare to the iPhone 4S, which came out late 2011 and still got iOS 9 (4 years later). Really not buying the "two years is plenty of updates" excuse, especially from the Nexus line.

Yeah, but the 4S cost $650+ while the Nexus 5 cost $350+.

Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by cpprototypes »

Does anyone know how strict is the Google two year update policy for Nexus? It's clear they won't do major releases (such as Android 7.0) for old phones. However, what about critical security updates? For example, if something as bad as Stagefright was discovered, would Google do nothing for all the older Nexus phones out there? Or would something like that be a special exception to the rule?

Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by stillworks »

twblalock wrote: post #60
stillworks wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been on Android Beta on Nexus 6p and if I turn off the Now Cards, the phone takes 2 days to go from ~95% to ~45%. I do have to pay attention to how I keep the phone charged though... I always try to not charge beyond 95% and never let it drop below 40%.

I wonder if you could get the same effect by turning off only some of the Now cards. Perhaps a few of them are responsible for the majority of the battery usage. It would be a shame to have to turn off all of them. I found most of them to be useful.

Didn't actually try to go into the details tbh. But that sounds like giving it a try though.

Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by mrrsm »

int_19h wrote: post #57
qznc wrote: post #3

Personally, I don't care for any [0] of the new features. This is the greatest feature, because it means Android is mature now. [0] Sure, better performance is always nice, but I don't care for Vulkan, VR Mode, or Multi-Window.

There is one awesome new feature that is not mentioned on most "best new features" list: built-in night mode (blue light filter). Works much better than similar apps from the store - those work by placing a translucent overlay window on top of everything else, which gives everything (including black!) a reddish hue. The new built-in filter, on the other hand, just removes blue, and blacks remain black.

I didn't know about this and now I am really interested in the update. I've been using one of the overlay ones for a while and it is kind of annoying.
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