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Apple’s China Problem Is That Local Phones Are Good – And Cheap

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Re: Apple’s China Problem Is That Local Phones Are Good – And Cheap

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Post by digi_owl »

fredgrott wrote: post #46
nimos wrote: post #19

I think the problem is far worse for high end Android manufactures. Apple at least has a unique ecosystem that serves as a point of differentiation. What does Samsung have to differentiate itself? A logo? Apple is a luxury brand and people are willing to pay for luxury goods. If you amortize the additional cost of an iPhone over a year or two it's really not that expensive from a luxury/status good standpoint. Less e…

you are aware that Samsung Edge by itself is out selling Applier iphone? Seems that when Samsung concentrates on just hardware it does better than Apple...not to say Ive doesn't do good work..but Apple has some obstacles to risk taking that Samsung does not via hardware design due to the fact that Samsung's phone division is just one small part of Samsung...ie they can take a slightly larger planned risk than apple a…

Never mind that Samsung has marketed their Galaxy brand so hard that people think is Android...

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Post by digi_owl »

simonh wrote: post #47
chvid wrote: post #3

It is just Apple's general problem isn't it? The cheaper phones are really good now. And if you are asking a premium you need to be significant better. As I see it iPhone 4 was a lot better than the competition where as the current lineup is not. Simply relying on expanding the market (selling more in China + other emerging markets) won't do the trick as they are not going to sell with their old big margins unless th…

People have been saying that about the Mac since the 1980s. Consistently high quality and premium features and services sell product. Apple doesn't need to 'rely' on selling more into China. If they end up locked out of the China market completely, they'll still do fine. As it is, they have a I've premium niche over there and will do just fine.

And marketing. Leave a TV on between shows, and an Apple ad is likely to crop up more often than not.

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Post by Steko »

fredgrott wrote: post #46
nimos wrote: post #19

I think the problem is far worse for high end Android manufactures. Apple at least has a unique ecosystem that serves as a point of differentiation. What does Samsung have to differentiate itself? A logo? Apple is a luxury brand and people are willing to pay for luxury goods. If you amortize the additional cost of an iPhone over a year or two it's really not that expensive from a luxury/status good standpoint. Less e…

you are aware that Samsung Edge by itself is out selling Applier iphone? Seems that when Samsung concentrates on just hardware it does better than Apple...not to say Ive doesn't do good work..but Apple has some obstacles to risk taking that Samsung does not via hardware design due to the fact that Samsung's phone division is just one small part of Samsung...ie they can take a slightly larger planned risk than apple a…

> Samsung Edge by itself is out selling Applier iphone ... does better than Apple

Cmon, that's highly misleading when one model is six months older than the other. Samsung flagships are blown out of the water in any sort of 12 month comparison with the iPhone.

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Post by wlesieutre »

qznc wrote: post #57
wlesieutre wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't Cyanogen just discontinue their OS development?

Cyanogen Inc the company did. There is still Cyanogen Mod the Open Source project. http://www.cyanogenmod.org/blog/cyanogen-inc-and-cyanogenmod

Gotcha. It has an active enough community of developers to keep going?

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Post by dntrkv »

eonw wrote: post #53
bitwize wrote: post #43

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UI jank, or lack thereof on iOS. Security, or lack thereof on Android. Relative size of app ecosystems. Whether devs can make money selling apps (hint: it's much harder on Android). Fragmentation. Etc.

saying android is much harder is not factually correct, it varies greatly by the niche of the app/game. some do much better on android then ios store.

It is factually correct, just because there might be some niche apps that perform better on Android does not negate the fact that, overall, the App Store generates far more revenue than the Play Store.

http://9to5mac.com/2016/01/20/app-store-ios-downloads-vs-and...

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Post by solipsism »

erichocean wrote: post #29
randiantech wrote: post #24

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Android has reached a level of maturity that makes comparison with Apple ecosystem neglectable nowadays; simply its no longer a selling point compared to previous years. Also, high end Android phones were able to introduce new technologies to the mobile market much faster that Apple (in example: VR). Just anecdotical, Im a Windows Phone user, but due to R&D work I use Apple and Android devices regularly. That unique,…

> Android has reached a level of maturity that makes comparison with Apple ecosystem neglectable nowadays; simply its no longer a selling point compared to previous years. This spirit of this comment has been replicated verbatim every year for the last 5 years by some random HN commenter. I guess, eventually, it might be true.

How do you replicate the _spirit_ of something verbatim?

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Post by stouset »

digi_owl wrote: post #62
simonh wrote: post #47

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People have been saying that about the Mac since the 1980s. Consistently high quality and premium features and services sell product. Apple doesn't need to 'rely' on selling more into China. If they end up locked out of the China market completely, they'll still do fine. As it is, they have a I've premium niche over there and will do just fine.

And marketing. Leave a TV on between shows, and an Apple ad is likely to crop up more often than not.

This is advertising, not marketing.

Marketing, specifically understanding the market for their products, is something Apple does insanely well compared to other companies.

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Post by qznc »

qznc wrote: post #58
pickettd wrote: post #44

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I got a LG G3 (3GB RAM model) earlier this year and it meets those requirements. I've really enjoyed using it so far.

Thanks for the suggestion. 3GB RAM is great.

Ok, I noticed I forgot another requirement. 5" at most. This is 5.5" though. :(

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Post by qznc »

qznc wrote: post #59
PascalW wrote: post #54

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The Wileyfox Swift [1] meets your requirements and is pretty decent and very affordable. [1] https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wileyfox-Swift-Dual-SIM-Free-Smartp...

Thanks, I did not see that one before.

I really like the philosophy of Wileyfox. Good hardware, latest Cyanogen Mod, and cheap on the rest.

The battery situations is strange, though. The battery is replaceable, but you cannot get a battery?

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