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Re: FreePascal and Lazarus Foundation

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I loved Pascal instantly because my first language was mainframe APL, followed by some weird in-house macroassembler that Xerox was using on its 8080-based business boxes. Compared to APL, Pascal is not only elegant but transcendent. Verbosity bothers me not at all (I used to write COBOL too) because I like being able to read and understand what I've written six months after I set it aside. You couldn't do that with…

thank you for the book.

Re: FreePascal and Lazarus Foundation

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I loved Pascal instantly because my first language was mainframe APL, followed by some weird in-house macroassembler that Xerox was using on its 8080-based business boxes. Compared to APL, Pascal is not only elegant but transcendent. Verbosity bothers me not at all (I used to write COBOL too) because I like being able to read and understand what I've written six months after I set it aside. You couldn't do that with…

This is the geek version of meeting somebody famous!

Hi Jeff, can't wait to buy a copy of everything you write for FreePascal and Lazarus.

Re: FreePascal and Lazarus Foundation

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I don't mind paying for my tools. I have a ST2 license, and will be buying an ST3 upgrade license when it's time. It's just that $1.5k is hard to justify for a single language environment/compiler. VS2015 Pro is $499, while a yearly Pro/MSDN subscriptions is $1,199/year.

That depends. As long as I've been in the game there have been relatively expensive options. Back in the day I kept hearing about SmallTalk and I saw the price tag in an ad in Dr.Dobbs. Sticker shock! But "serious" pricing is still alive today. Check http://www.lispworks.com/buy/prices-1c.html for instance. For some languages, lower prices won't significantly increases sales volume. And 1.5K is not a barrier if it's…

The problem is, to gain traction these days, you target the developers, give them enough resources to work on something in their spare time, and hope they have enough influence to make their company switch from language A to language B.

Charging the developer, before they even have a chance to try the language out, when there are other free options available, means they'll never even give the language a chance.

Re: FreePascal and Lazarus Foundation

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Linux is well supported by Lazarus and FreePascal!

I think the parent meant Delphi

I believe it still comes with a version of Kylix. But sadly, yes, "no linux support" is pretty accurate, mostly because it sucks badly.

Re: FreePascal and Lazarus Foundation

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I loved Pascal instantly because my first language was mainframe APL, followed by some weird in-house macroassembler that Xerox was using on its 8080-based business boxes. Compared to APL, Pascal is not only elegant but transcendent. Verbosity bothers me not at all (I used to write COBOL too) because I like being able to read and understand what I've written six months after I set it aside. You couldn't do that with…

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Re: FreePascal and Lazarus Foundation

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I loved Pascal instantly because my first language was mainframe APL, followed by some weird in-house macroassembler that Xerox was using on its 8080-based business boxes. Compared to APL, Pascal is not only elegant but transcendent. Verbosity bothers me not at all (I used to write COBOL too) because I like being able to read and understand what I've written six months after I set it aside. You couldn't do that with…

This, this is great, I haven't touched Pascal in well over 15 years and this book should be immensely useful in re-learning everything.

Re: FreePascal and Lazarus Foundation

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I loved Pascal instantly because my first language was mainframe APL, followed by some weird in-house macroassembler that Xerox was using on its 8080-based business boxes. Compared to APL, Pascal is not only elegant but transcendent. Verbosity bothers me not at all (I used to write COBOL too) because I like being able to read and understand what I've written six months after I set it aside. You couldn't do that with…

Wow. Jeff Duntemann! Thanks for your books!!

Re: FreePascal and Lazarus Foundation

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modern pascal is actually pretty good. it's very unfortunate that it isn't considered sexy. i learned programming on turbo pascal and used to think that pascal isn't a serious language. years later, after seeing that it's not dead and dropping prejudices against it i can see that it lost pretty much only because of its perceived uncoolness.

Or that you have to drop $1,405.00 [0] to get a 'professional' environment. [0] https://www.embarcadero.com/app-development-tools-store/delp...

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Re: FreePascal and Lazarus Foundation

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Nonsense. I'd gladly pay $1400 for a development environment if it made my job as a developer easier or better. My recollection is that Delphi (and its various owners) lost their way, not that people suddenly rejected Delphi's price point.

As someone who works with Delphi and C++Builder for a job… yeah, it's the single shittiest development environment ever conceived by man, and they charge exorbitant prices for it. It's actually gotten so bad that my company is opting to migrate to C# for future development, in spite of our long investment in Delphi.

I wouldn't say that the IDE is shit, but it certainly isn't as good as VS, what issues do you encounter to make you say that?

Re: FreePascal and Lazarus Foundation

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And no Linux support (yet).

Yes, I had read maybe around a year ago on their site that Embarcadero had plans to bring out a Delphi version with Linux support. Not sure what happened to that, and also now that they have been bought by Idera (which I only saw from the recent thread here about Modern Object Pascal).

They stated plans for Linux server support in Delphi but no GUI apps for Linux.
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