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Re: DuckDuckGo announces partnership with Yahoo

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Post by yitchelle »

frik wrote: post #48

DDG is a meta search engine that uses mainly Yahoo and/or Yandex (depending on the region). Yahoo had turned their Yahoo BOSSS API (acccess to Bing search engine) from free to pay-for-each-1000-queries and completely discontinued the API earlier this year. So now we learn DDG gets access, but no one else of the smaller fishes (other meta search engines, etc).

For the layman like me: if I do a search for "cute cats", does the results comes from Bing after it has been through Yahoo before DDG shows it? Who does the actual searching?

Re: DuckDuckGo announces partnership with Yahoo

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Post by pbreit »

"We've worked closely with Yahoo to implement these new features in accordance with contractual terms and our privacy policy. To be as transparent as possible, we've written up details on the technical implementation."

As a search user, I couldn't care less about this stuff. I don't think it's even possible to build a good search engine "in accordance with contractual terms".

Re: DuckDuckGo announces partnership with Yahoo

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Post by joe563323 »

angersock wrote: post #56
piyush_soni wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cynic in me says that it all starts like this. With multiple, gradual ToS changes, eventually, it will become like any other company out there. And what if Yahoo acquires DDG?

Then one of us can try to break into the search market! :D

privacy first search market

Re: DuckDuckGo announces partnership with Yahoo

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Post by beardog »

piyush_soni wrote: post #55
pwnna wrote: post #10

I think a better link to explain is here: https://duck.co/help/results/yahoo-technical-implementation It looks like they are just querying yahoo for results and ads as a proxy and it sounds like, through some contractual/technical limitations, they have to make that request from a yahoo controlled domain name (duckduckgo-owned-server.yahoo.net). However, they say they fully control the server and yahoo does not get t…

The cynic in me says that it all starts like this. With multiple, gradual ToS changes, eventually, it will become like any other company out there. And what if Yahoo acquires DDG?

That would be very foolish of duckduckgo, their whole niche is privacy.

Re: DuckDuckGo announces partnership with Yahoo

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Post by lnalx »

SwellJoe wrote: post #33
latj wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good things dont scale. Sergey Brin & Larry Page could have been the old Japanese man in the subway station sushi joint making the the best bites of a lifetime for a few hundred humans a day. They decided to go a different route.

I don't think I follow. A good web search engine cannot be a niche product with a few users. The bigger the resources, the better the results. That's an impossible problem to overcome by merely being really good at something. DDG overcomes it, reasonably effectively, by getting results from a huge list of partners. If there weren't huge companies offering search APIs, DDG simply couldn't compete with Google (without…

Or you can use !s for StartPage and have results from Google.

Re: DuckDuckGo announces partnership with Yahoo

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Post by jsingleton »

pwnna wrote: post #10

I think a better link to explain is here: https://duck.co/help/results/yahoo-technical-implementation It looks like they are just querying yahoo for results and ads as a proxy and it sounds like, through some contractual/technical limitations, they have to make that request from a yahoo controlled domain name (duckduckgo-owned-server.yahoo.net). However, they say they fully control the server and yahoo does not get t…

That link is pretty good at explaining the DNS delegation, TLS and NoScript. However, as DDG runs on AWS, they don't have sole control of their servers anyway.

Edit: output of a DNS/Ping tool I wrote for a book:

    Enter a hostname or IP address:
    duckduckgo.com
    
    Performing DNS lookup of duckduckgo.com
    Complete, duckduckgo.com = 54.229.105.92
    Performing reverse DNS lookup of 54.229.105.92
    Complete, 54.229.105.92 = ec2-54-229-105-92.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com
    
    Complete, duckduckgo.com = 54.229.105.203
    Performing reverse DNS lookup of 54.229.105.203
    Complete, 54.229.105.203 = ec2-54-229-105-203.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com
    
    Complete, duckduckgo.com = 46.51.197.89
    Performing reverse DNS lookup of 46.51.197.89
    Complete, 46.51.197.89 = ec2-46-51-197-89.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com
    
    Complete, duckduckgo.com = 176.34.135.167
    Performing reverse DNS lookup of 176.34.135.167
    Complete, 176.34.135.167 = ec2-176-34-135-167.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com
    
    Complete, duckduckgo.com = 176.34.155.20
    Performing reverse DNS lookup of 176.34.155.20
    Complete, 176.34.155.20 = ec2-176-34-155-20.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com
    
    Complete, duckduckgo.com = 176.34.131.233
    Performing reverse DNS lookup of 176.34.131.233
    Complete, 176.34.131.233 = ec2-176-34-131-233.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com
    
    Pinging duckduckgo.com 4 times
    Ping attempt #1 of 4
    Success
    30 ms
    Ping attempt #2 of 4
    Success
    30 ms
    Ping attempt #3 of 4
    Success
    30 ms
    Ping attempt #4 of 4
    Success
    29 ms
    
    Press any key to exit...
Source code (C#): https://github.com/PacktPublishing/ASP.NET-Core-1.0-High-Per...

Re: DuckDuckGo announces partnership with Yahoo

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Post by enibundo »

MichaelGG wrote: post #45

I want to use DDG. I've made it my default search engine. But the result page is just so slow. Both in slow to load (v Google), and actual responsiveness. It's just slightly laggy, or at least it feels like that. Google has neither problem. I'm willing to put up with not-excellent relevancy, but the slowness is killing me. I'm using FF 49 64-bit on Win8. Am I anomalous or does anyone else feel this at all?

No slowness here.

The only downside is the quality of results.

Most of the time when searaching technical questions I get better results on google compared to ddg.

It looks like ddg doesn't like stackoverflow.

Re: DuckDuckGo announces partnership with Yahoo

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Post by dredmorbius »

For those who'd been missing date-restricted searches, DDG now offers these, thanks to the Yahoo partnership.

It's not as flexible as Google's date-ranged searches, in which specific start and end dates can be specified, but you now can restrict searches to the past day, week, month, or year. I'd noticed this (and submitted to HN) about a month back.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11819435

(The control's moved to the Hamburger Menu since.)

(I'm hoping more controls come into effect.)

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