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From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tells his story

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Re: From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tells his story

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post #46

I do not understand how the US can charge someone with copyright infringement if that person is not a US citizen and has never been to the US. Is there an international agreement on how to handle infringement? Can Americans be extradited for infringing upon copyrights from other countries?

Apparently US thinks their laws apply in the whole world. Team America world police is not a joke.

Re: From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tells his story

#62
post #46

I do not understand how the US can charge someone with copyright infringement if that person is not a US citizen and has never been to the US. Is there an international agreement on how to handle infringement? Can Americans be extradited for infringing upon copyrights from other countries?

I assume if you are involved in stealing property from folks in the US (I assume many of the owners of the stolen material are American companies), the US has the right to extradite you. Seems reasonable to me.

Re: From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tells his story

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post #46

I do not understand how the US can charge someone with copyright infringement if that person is not a US citizen and has never been to the US. Is there an international agreement on how to handle infringement? Can Americans be extradited for infringing upon copyrights from other countries?

I assume if you are involved in stealing property from folks in the US (I assume many of the owners of the stolen material are American companies), the US has the right to extradite you. Seems reasonable to me.

Sure. Is that reciprocal? Would the US extradite a US citizen from the US to eg France to face prosecution for copyright infringement?

Re: From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tells his story

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post #46

I do not understand how the US can charge someone with copyright infringement if that person is not a US citizen and has never been to the US. Is there an international agreement on how to handle infringement? Can Americans be extradited for infringing upon copyrights from other countries?

IANAL but I believe that,

Any country can charge anyone as long as its laws say it has standing to do so. Having your citizens harmed is a common reason.

Yes, there are international agreements regarding copyright infringement and regarding extraditions in general. In general (and again, IANAL) I think it's common for a country to accept to extradite someone if the alleged crime is also considered a crime locally.

I have no idea regarding the latter question :)

Re: From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tells his story

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume if you are involved in stealing property from folks in the US (I assume many of the owners of the stolen material are American companies), the US has the right to extradite you. Seems reasonable to me.

Sure. Is that reciprocal? Would the US extradite a US citizen from the US to eg France to face prosecution for copyright infringement?

The man in the article was an Estonian living in the Netherlands, so probably not a Dutch citizen.

Re: From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tells his story

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post #46

I do not understand how the US can charge someone with copyright infringement if that person is not a US citizen and has never been to the US. Is there an international agreement on how to handle infringement? Can Americans be extradited for infringing upon copyrights from other countries?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hew_Raymond_Griffiths

This Australian never been to USA. After doing a similar piracy outfit, they got extradited to USA and prosecuted, jailed. Then when released they got jailed again for being an illegal alien, then deported and banned from USA. I wish I was kidding.

The extradition is legal for a few reasons:

+ Must be a crime in both countries

+ Must be a large jail sentence (Due to the excessive copyright penalties, this one is easy)

+ Must be authorised by the attorney general. The Australian government has the choice not to give up one of their citizens, but in this case they chose to do so.

Re: From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tells his story

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So basically employers/entrepreneurs get all the rewards if their companies succeed but if they fail, it's the employees who take the fall. And then, when things do work out, these 'entrepreneurs' are the ones who boast about how they overcame adversity in the face of impossible odds. Now I understand why Donald Trump is so popular in the US. People just lost all faith in the system; so they might as well get some en…

> Now I understand why Donald Trump is so popular in the US. People just lost all faith in the system; so they might as well get some entertainment out of it.

That's my theory too, and US is not the only Western country where this seems to be happening. Voter turnout is falling across the whole Western world, and a big part of it is probably people realizing politics is a circus, and not wanting to touch it with a ten-foot pole. When every choice is equally bad, and you'll have to find your way around the problems by yourself anyway, what's the point of even caring about the political scene? Getting some laugh at its expense is about the best use one can find.

Re: From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tells his story

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post #31

> I had to be made an example of as a warning to all IT people who were intending to work in similar companies. That's scary. I'm supposed to police my employers actions? To some extent I can understand, but that puts a lot of IT people in awkward positions. Do Dropbox employees need to worry that infringing content is being taken down fast enough, lest the face prosecution? I didn't follow Megaupload too closely, so…

Not with Condi Rice on the board. I'm sure her appointment was strategic, but I've refused to use their services since then. My principles don't allow it.

Curious: What about Rice prevents you from using their services? (Non-American here, so please excuse what may seem like a trivial question).

Re: From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tells his story

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not with Condi Rice on the board. I'm sure her appointment was strategic, but I've refused to use their services since then. My principles don't allow it.

Curious: What about Rice prevents you from using their services? (Non-American here, so please excuse what may seem like a trivial question).

Perhaps her war mongering?

Re: From file-sharing to prison: A Megaupload programmer tells his story

#70
post #9

Clearly our prison system in the US is terrible. Of course most other countries are even worse but you'd think we would be more civilized. It's also embarrassing that the only person they were able to put in jail was a simple programmer.

>Of course most other countries are even worse but you'd think we would be more civilized.

You'd be surprised. Most western countries, for example, are far better.

And for all countries in general, including the most backwards ones, the overall system is quite better for their citizens, in the sense that the US is (by a large margin) the king of incarcerations. 4% of the world's population, but 25% of the world's inmates.

Then there's those medieval ideas like the "death penalty" which almost all the modern world has abandoned.

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