Live data from Hacker News

Statement by Jill Bähring Regarding Jacob Appelbaum

twitlonger.com

61–64 of 64 posts

Re: Statement by Jill Bähring Regarding Jacob Appelbaum

#61

It's so nice to see that Appelbaum's defenders have finally found a woman they believe.

Defenders? More like, "it's lame to see the attackers still haven't found a way to explain themselves in a credible manner, and are still excusing it with the same smear."

You are projecting. The evil you're looking for, it's in you.

Re: Statement by Jill Bähring Regarding Jacob Appelbaum

#62

"How covert agents infiltrate the internet to manipulate, deceive, and destroy reputations" https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/ "Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activis…

also suspicious that none of the complainers went to law enforcement. you know, the way we as a society determime whether a true crime happened or not. innocent til proven guilty, trial, judge, etc. instead they took it to the public and smeared a man's name, directly. that itself is suspicous, as well as unethical.

> also suspicious that none of the complainers went to law enforcement.

People who have been raped don't go to police because the world is full of stupid cunts who do stupid shit like putting the word "rape" in quotes to try to deny that rape happens as often as it does; and then spread lies and fud about what rape victims should have done while being raped ("Why didn't you fight back?"); or what rape victims should have done after they had been raped ("Why didn't they go to the police?"). Those people will also say that any rape accusation that doesn't result in a conviction is a false allegation, and that the rape didn't happen, and that the victim lied about it.

Re: Statement by Jill Bähring Regarding Jacob Appelbaum

#63
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

also suspicious that none of the complainers went to law enforcement. you know, the way we as a society determime whether a true crime happened or not. innocent til proven guilty, trial, judge, etc. instead they took it to the public and smeared a man's name, directly. that itself is suspicous, as well as unethical.

> also suspicious that none of the complainers went to law enforcement. People who have been raped don't go to police because the world is full of stupid cunts who do stupid shit like putting the word "rape" in quotes to try to deny that rape happens as often as it does; and then spread lies and fud about what rape victims should have done while being raped ("Why didn't you fight back?"); or what rape victims should…

While we're having the super broad brushes out: People who DON'T ask for evidence and due process are part of a stoning for which they think have plausible deniability.

https://twitter.com/Shidash/status/741259721756319744

This your world now. This is what you wanted, whether you admit it to yourself or not, this is what it means. Not having the courage to hear what oneself is saying does not mean one is not saying it, also see http://warprayer.org/

So enjoy it, because you're stuck with. "Respected people" pulling all sorts of obvious, low shit, unable to answer the most simple questions without straw men about all those women haters and rape apologists, and a whole lot of other "respected people" keeping their feet still. Who respects these people? People who don't mind lynch mobs, and don't even lose respect for people in them. Let me add that up and weigh it real quick -- oh look, it adds up to nothing.

They came for someone, they did something to them, and you are complaining about the precious few people who were and are not complicit. The nerve! I wouldn't normally say but just think this, but considering your comment, I'll say it's only fair.

Re: Statement by Jill Bähring Regarding Jacob Appelbaum

#64
post #43
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Veterans who have spoken out about brashness, him being socially clumsy, him being an asshole. There are as of yet unsubstantiated, uncorroborated & unverified stories.

They have essentially described him as a sociopath. That's very different from merely being brash and clumsy...

It also also says something people throwing that word around like that, especially in light of "TimeToDieJake" thing, denying the impersonation attempts (even though "ioerrror" can't be explained away that easily), finding this [0] terribly funny, while still being unable to back up the plagiarism claims (e.g. Nick Farr answered all sorts of softball questions, but not that). That's very different from anything resembling a good faith effort.

And when it comes to mental health, considering their behaviour and words, I would need to see a clinical diagnosis of ALL involved people to take that seriously in the least. So far I see people who are being abusive saying someone else is abusive; so far I see people demonstrating no empathy, intellectual honesty or capability to reflect, calling someone else a sociopath. So far I see a "community" with very little courage or integrity talking about standing up to bullies, while flagging the story which is clearing up a false claim that has already been spread. A safe space for lynch mobs.

Appelbaum might be guilty of some or a lot of things, but I'm not taking anyone's word for it when they can't even answer the most simple and obvious questions, questions they should have had answers for before even speaking. And the "trust" or "respect" of people who don't notice that is at best of zero value for my own evaluation, at worst it has negative value. And as it stands, I can't interpret the "diagnosis" as sociopath (and plagiarist) as anything than another red flag for those making it, considering all the proof in all this pudding so far, and considering how they don't "criticize their own".

I guess that's also Appelbaum's sinister influence, or something, that so many people don't dare to or are unable to do what a somewhat moral, somewhat intelligent child would already have done (maybe you can even strike "moral" and "intelligent" and replace that with "without an agenda or outside pressure, freely and honestly responding"). Don't put any obligations on victims, after all - including having to prove their victim status that gives them amnesty for any and all transgressions and regressions.

Though maybe they're not transgressions, since a sociopath is not a human being (and just with the victim status, since a sociopath has no rights you don't have to prove the claim after you made it), like someone spookily alluded to but then somehow didn't follow up on [1]. But remember, Appelbaum's allegedly the sick person, so nobody else can be sick. He is allegedly manipulative and dishonest, so nobody else can be.

[0] https://twitter.com/J9Roem/status/741358060191514625

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11845678

Post reply on HN