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Re: This is not a place of honor

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post #25

Interesting. I know that the idea of launching radioactive waste into the sun or out of the solar system is highly criticized for the potential for things to go wrong (and rightly so), but do the critics really think that the earth -- with humans on it -- will be more reliable in 10,000 years than space flight even 100 years from now?

No, but they won't be nearly as catastrophic or as expensive.

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#62

To prevent people from entering, they should place statues of soldiers in front of the entrance. Thousands of them. Each should be sculpted individually from terra cotta.

May I suggest two vast and trunkless legs of stone, accompanied by a pithy inscription. Shattered visage optional.

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#63
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But we've only been relevant for ~7,000 and if we do not make the Earth inhospitable ourselves in the next 10k years then the chances of a cataclysmic event are ever increasing to assist us. 99.9% of all animals ever to exist on the Earth are extinct, we're not that special.

Perhaps they are extinct because we've been erasing them as we reformat the earth to be more congenial to ourselves? Their extinction is not a signal that we may go extinct ourselves; just the opposite. Mesopotamian Ziggurat, Teppe Sialk, dates from around 2900BC (~5000 yo). Gobekli Tepe 12,000 years old?

The 99.9% has nothing to do with humans. He was probably referring to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction_event#Major_extinct...

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#64

Use the heat of the waste's radioactivity to power infrasonic emitters, and induce horror and panic in anyone who comes close. Or maybe set it up so that the wind creates infrasonic vibrations. You'd stand a very good chance of convincing people that the place is literally haunted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrasound#Human_reactions

I have one computer that has been running (with help) for 8 years. That's a record for me.

10K years is a really long time to keep a computer running. Who's going to do that, other than more computers?

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#65
Honestly, reading this, I kept thinking to myself, "Man, this is just waiting to be turned into science fiction short story." It could go in different directions, future humans discover such a site, humans discover an alien analogue of such a site on $planet, aliens discover such a site crafted by humans on $planet, etc. Either way, there's potential for a good story there.

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#66
The only way in which something like this will be useful is if, for some reason, civilisation collapses but humans survive. (If humans don't survive then 10,000 years is far too soon to worry about another intelligent species arising.)

If that happens, some major catastrophe has undoubtedly already occurred which makes the possible death of a bunch of future-cavemen who happen to start digging in the wrong patch of desert pale in comparison.

If we're really worried about this scenario we should worry less about marking specific sites, and more about trying to come up with a way to store all our existing scientific and cultural knowledge in a non-perishable manner, in many places, that can be dug up and hopefully eventually decoded by people of the future. Purely from an avoid-human-suffering point of view, telling people "don't dig here" isn't nearly as valuable as telling them about infectious diseases, and vaccination, and...

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#67
post #9

99 Percent Invisible episode on this: http://99percentinvisible.org/episode/ten-thousand-years/

I feel like 99pi might become the "relevant XKCD" of podcasts soon. This was an excellent episode and it's a really fun problem to discuss.

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#68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes but is also could be used to supply the entire world with Western levels of electric power.

That's one of many ways that you could do that, yes.

Those other ways do not get rid of a potentially serious environmental contaminant. Or do you prefer if those "waste dumps" remain unused and potentially dangerous.

It both serves as a very valuable source of rare energy and at the same time gets rid of the "waste" of old redundant processes, what's not to like ?

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#69

Use the heat of the waste's radioactivity to power infrasonic emitters, and induce horror and panic in anyone who comes close. Or maybe set it up so that the wind creates infrasonic vibrations. You'd stand a very good chance of convincing people that the place is literally haunted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrasound#Human_reactions

I have one computer that has been running (with help) for 8 years. That's a record for me. 10K years is a really long time to keep a computer running. Who's going to do that, other than more computers?

That is indeed the trick, but who said anything about computers? Mechanical sound reproduction, even specifically using electricity, predates computers. I see no reason it couldn't post-date them in this application, as well. You would want to build the system out of simple, indestructible components, something closer in complexity to an electric doorbell than a computer.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps they are extinct because we've been erasing them as we reformat the earth to be more congenial to ourselves? Their extinction is not a signal that we may go extinct ourselves; just the opposite. Mesopotamian Ziggurat, Teppe Sialk, dates from around 2900BC (~5000 yo). Gobekli Tepe 12,000 years old?

The 99.9% has nothing to do with humans. He was probably referring to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction_event#Major_extinct...

Yes, pretty much the result of the 5 major (or 9 major) extinction events. I was using this [1] it's a number frequently used when referring to whats been and whats left. It's really an extraordinary number when thinking about it.

[1] http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/extinction/massext/stateme...

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