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Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by yuhong »

userbinator wrote: post #21

The amount of churn in the computer industry is staggering and the upgrade treadmill is a huge waste of resources to many, but I suppose it's the only way for them to continue making a profit. Personally, I think Windows as an OS reached its pinnacle sometime around the XP timeframe; since then it has mostly been frustrating UI changes and feature removals, "security" features designed to lock down your PC against yo…

This is a good time to mention that ad tracking tends to be separate from for example SQM telemetry in general.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by zxcvcxz »

aluhut wrote: post #14
metaphor wrote: post #11

There's a sense of irony seeing this post today when just last night, as my girlfriend and I were planning a weekend trip, I asked her what OS she was using (not being familiar with anything beyond Win7), to which she responded Win8. I then asked if she planned to upgrade to Win10, noting a post I had read about MS charging for the upgrade after a certain date, to which she responded no...then a minute or two later,…

As someone who held onto Win2k until it hurt, I still thought it might be a good deal back then when they offered the free upgrade from 7 to 10. I thought: I'll just wait until the last moment so I can see what kind of bugs come up. While upgrading one of my laptops to 10 to play around with it and be prepared (which was a horrible experience on it's own). Now with the moment coming closer and seeing what they do the…

I just run win7 in a VM on Linux.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by yuhong »

cm2187 wrote: post #60
yuhong wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the most important one here is the Windows Store.

I forgot it and completely agree, they want a cut of anything installed on the machine. And following this logic I wouldn't be surprised if they would make it increasingly difficult to install any non store app. Requiring them to be signed first, then signed by them against a fee, then simply not allowed like iOS does. Which is why not having the option to turn down upgrade after having been upgraded to windows 10 is…

They did do something similar with Windows RT, but that was completely locked down with no existing Win32 app base to worry about. And yes, they do have uninstall I think with 30 days before files are deleted.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by mavhc »

yuhong wrote: post #58
mattkevan wrote: post #49

The windows boxes in our office have been upgrading themselves, much to everyone's dismay: The one in the meeting room decided to upgrade and then break in the middle of a client presentation I was leading. I got my Mac and continued on, but it was embarrassing. My colleague's machine upgraded itself overnight, and in the process deleted a bunch of files and corrupted creative suite. I know having as many people as p…

Note that businesses will typically use Win10 Enterprise, often with WSUS.

Large businesses. It's the DIY small businesses that always have problems. They should switch to Chrome OS.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by yuhong »

mavhc wrote: post #64
yuhong wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that businesses will typically use Win10 Enterprise, often with WSUS.

Large businesses. It's the DIY small businesses that always have problems. They should switch to Chrome OS.

This is a good time to mention that the minimum for volume licensing is only 5 copies.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by Mithaldu »

mattkevan wrote: post #49

The windows boxes in our office have been upgrading themselves, much to everyone's dismay: The one in the meeting room decided to upgrade and then break in the middle of a client presentation I was leading. I got my Mac and continued on, but it was embarrassing. My colleague's machine upgraded itself overnight, and in the process deleted a bunch of files and corrupted creative suite. I know having as many people as p…

Edit: Note that i am not disagreeing that MS is engaging in a dark pattern by opting-in users implicitly, and then only informing them about said opt-in having happened. The snide and snark in this post only came about because i realized rather suddenly what was actually happening, and how the misreporting and sensationalizing had skewed this whole thing in a way that the reporting helped literally nobody but people's click counters.

Know that the upgrade is not unavoidable, and if you have friends who don't want it, tell them how they can avoid it.

> The windows boxes in our office have been upgrading themselves, much to everyone's dismay

Go around and ask which of your colleagues closed this window without actually reading it: http://i.imgur.com/aWFX0vc.png

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by mavhc »

Mithaldu wrote: post #52
Joeri wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a user action to install it, but it's pretty sneaky. MS changed the behavior of the upgrade question dialog that if you close it with x it will start the download and then install when ready. Your girlfriend must have clicked the x some time prior to the sudden upgrade. Even my tech-savvy coworker who didn't want to upgrade got caught out by this. Anyway, you can still roll back, and then install never10.

Edit: After some thinking: Yes, i agree this is a dark pattern and MS needs to be held accountable to it accordingly. My only disagreement with the current direction of discourse is that people are not saying "MS manipulated me into an update", which is the truth, but "Windows updated on its own and there was nothing anyone could do", which isn't. -- They didn't change it, it was always that way. People only realized…

If people could read we'd live in a completely different world, run by people elected by voters because it was in their best interests; where no one clicked a EULA, because the contents of them are insane; and no one bought the extended warranty.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by mavhc »

yuhong wrote: post #57
cm2187 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe a single second that Microsoft is adopting this hard line for security considerations. They want to monetize their users. They want them to watch their in-OS ads, they want to accumulate data on people, they want them to go to bing for search, etc.

I think the most important one here is the Windows Store.

It's mostly about Windows Phone, which needs apps, which means the store needs users. If it gets users then people will bother to develop cross phone/desktop apps. Of course no one uses the store still, even as Microsoft tries to force/trick you into logging in with a Microsoft ID.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by zxcvcxz »

Reese1379 wrote: post #55

This has to be the only tech site where a suggestion to use Linux results in a down vote.

This isn't "hacker news", this is "corporate news". It's amazing that some people consider themselves "hackers" when all they use is VS and Office programs on Windows and actively stay away from any process they perceive as difficult.
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