Pretty cool, the idea looks similar to `now` by Zeit[1] Platform as a service has gone from click to get a server that needs configuring (AWS), to get a server already configured (Heroku), and now to write code and get URL without even needing to think about servers [1]: https://zeit.co/
Yeah the timing is interesting. Given the close release dates, I don't think there'd have been time for one to inspire the other, yet now we have both. Are there any other services like this? Maybe it's a new trend.
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#62Cool tech, fun toy! I hope it is successful. I think Joel should focus on it's toy-like nature, and potential as a learning tool, rather than trying to build this into a production grade tool. I spent years building tools for this market between professional devs and non-developers. (Backlift.com and then Brace.io) It's really tough. Most people learning to code are trying to gain transferrable skills that can help t…
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#63Without any persistence (Mongo, SQL, Redis, something) this is nothing more than a toy. Right now, the forums suggest setting one up via some PAAS, which obviates the whole "it's only one step" thing. Presumably persistence is on its way, as this is just a beta.
Persistence aside, it's still lightweight for an experienced developer. All of the things listed in Joel's "look what you don't have to do list" exist because they are good practice. In fact, 16 years ago Joel wrote about the 12 things that you need to make good software[0], which, coincidentally, includes almost everything on that convenience list.
On the other hand, if you're just learning to code, not having to provision a server or deal with Git isn't really fixing the hard part. Heroku and GitHub are making that easier and easier. HyperDev drops you right into an active NodeJS project without explaining what package.json is, where you define your views, or even what views are.
This leaves it serving a very narrow demographic, which is often the problem with these sorts of tools. Hopefully Fog Creek will be able to make it more broadly appealing before the shine wears off.
[0] http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000043.html
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#64I also found refreshingly honest: > This is still a beta so don’t ask me how many 9’s. You can have all the 8’s you want.
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#66I'm a big fan of Fog Creek (having worked there for 7 years). But I'm a little stumped on who this is for. Without any persistence (Mongo, SQL, Redis, something) this is nothing more than a toy. Right now, the forums suggest setting one up via some PAAS, which obviates the whole "it's only one step" thing. Presumably persistence is on its way, as this is just a beta. Persistence aside, it's still lightweight for an e…
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#68We're on the front page of some major sites so things are blowing up a little bit, but we should have it sorted out soon! Thanks for your patience! - A frantic HyperDev developer
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
You sent everyone an email[1] to participate in the discussion, and after this an over-capacity message[2] is a bit disappointing because it seems like you did expect the attention this time. On the other hand, I know that things can go wrong and I wish you a quick recovery and all the success. [1]: http://i.imgur.com/ZazMSgt.png [2]: http://i.imgur.com/NXyTHBB.png edit: BTW I reloaded the page and the error disappea…
I think that's a little bit unfair. HN posts can be a giant hit-or-miss in terms of popularity.
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#70I'm a big fan of Fog Creek (having worked there for 7 years). But I'm a little stumped on who this is for. Without any persistence (Mongo, SQL, Redis, something) this is nothing more than a toy. Right now, the forums suggest setting one up via some PAAS, which obviates the whole "it's only one step" thing. Presumably persistence is on its way, as this is just a beta. Persistence aside, it's still lightweight for an e…