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Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by themgt »

slantedview wrote: post #46

One of the commenters on the Krebs post makes a remarkable point [1]: "It gets better. Do a dig mx clintonemail.com. You’ll see that the machine’s incoming email was filtered by mxlogic.net, a spam filtering service that works by received all your emails, filtering out the spam, and forwarding you the rest. This is because the hosting provider, Platte River Network, sold a package along with the hosting. The package…

Haha yeah I've actually seen her supporters claim the MX filtering meant it was "secure"! facepalm

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by slantedview »

engi_nerd wrote: post #19
gizmo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No nefarious plot. My understanding is that it went roughly like this. Back in 2009 Clinton requested a secure smartphone from the NSA. It's a custom made device (security by obscurity?). Anyway, the president gets one. As the secretary of state she has to travel a lot, and not being able to do email on the road is highly impractical. So she thought she should get one too. The NSA denied her request for a secure smar…

And those slipups should open her to prosecution under the Espionage Act. A number of security professionals (I mean security in the government, Information Assurance sense) have told me that if they or I were to do anything like what Secretary Clinton did, we would be liable to be prosecuted.

The irony of Clinton having possibly violated the same law that she has used to (wrongly) advocate for the prosecution of whistleblowers is maddening, and moreover, the fact that she will likely escape prosecution is a horrible indictment of our democracy.

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by argonaut »

gormo2 wrote: post #60
x0x0 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What laws regarding handling classified information were broken? http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0330-mcmanus-clin...

It's quite possible the law discussed in that article was broken. The author lists the three cases of relevance: (1) whether Clinton knew she was putting classified information into an unclassified system, (2) did she willfully communicate classified information to anyone not authorized to receive it, and (3) did she remove classified information with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorize…

And the article lists various reasons why none of those would likely apply to her.

The IG's report only shows incompetence on her part, not criminal intent.

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by at-fates-hands »

blhack wrote: post #18
gizmo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No nefarious plot. My understanding is that it went roughly like this. Back in 2009 Clinton requested a secure smartphone from the NSA. It's a custom made device (security by obscurity?). Anyway, the president gets one. As the secretary of state she has to travel a lot, and not being able to do email on the road is highly impractical. So she thought she should get one too. The NSA denied her request for a secure smar…

Do you have any sources for that? The story I keep hearing is that she had this set up to make FOIA requests more difficult/impossible to fulfil. The really out there stuff is that this was to hide any cash-for-favors exchanges that happened with relation to The Clinton Foundation.

>>> The really out there stuff is that this was to hide any cash-for-favors exchanges that happened with relation to The Clinton Foundation.

It would've been a good plan if she had actually secured the server properly and had encrypted all of her stuff.

Unfortunately, there's plenty of evidence of shady stuff the foundation was doing without additional support in her private emails.

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by untog »

Among the more disappointing things in all of this is that there is a rational, important conversation to be had about everyday awareness of security and government inflexibility. But there won't be, because she is Hillary Clinton and it is 2016.

Supposedly she got the server set up because the NSA refused to give a politician who travels frequently a secure smartphone. She (I personally believe) was likely ignorant of many of the security requirements of such a server (even one set up for unclassified e-mail), as was whoever set it up. And no-one on her staff either knew enough or was willing enough to say anything. She is also supposedly not the first Secretary of State to have an arrangement of this nature.

This feels like the very definition of systematic failure and clearly needs to change. But the conversation is almost exclusively based around a) her having nefarious motivations, because she is Hillary Clinton, or b) this all being a Republican plot to derail the Democratic candidate for President.

It's all very depressing.

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by at-fates-hands »

mindslight wrote: post #58

I really want to like Clinton for running her own server, respecting the decentralized basis of the Internet. Yet her domain name was clinton email .com? What a pleb! Political corruption and murder is her family business, yet even with those capabilities she can't be bothered to obtain a better online identity? She may as well have been at hotmail or gmail and highlighted in blue!

If I remember correctly, Sarah Palin used a Yahoo account to do some of her business as Alaska's governor.

EDIT: Found it, yeap, Yahoo: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/17/palins-e-mail-...

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by brandonmenc »

shas3 wrote: post #22
drakefire wrote: post #3

This story just keeps getting better. There is either a grand nefarious plot, or worse, horrific incompetence. I just can't find a third possibility.

It almost sounds like a farce: Clinton gets indicted or loses face due to incompetence relating to the e-mail server scandal, and in her place is elected The Donald, a man who has committed worse transgressions and has the potential to do even worse things when given power. Frankly, she doesn't sound any more incompetent than even a typical old company c. 2010: think Target, Sony, etc. It would be sad, given that her…

> The Donald, a man who has committed worse transgressions and has the potential to do even worse things when given power.

You are overestimating Trump and underestimating Hillary.

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by x0x0 »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #55
x0x0 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What laws regarding handling classified information were broken? http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0330-mcmanus-clin...

Here are the two obvious one, and another one that's well. . . more in the vein of the Clinton's being the Clinton's IMHO. http://www.ijreview.com/2015/03/264655-3-federal-laws-hillar... - Executive Order 13526 and 18 U.S.C Sec. 793(f) of the federal code make it unlawful to send of store classified information on personal email. - Section 1236.22 of the 2009 National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) requir…

Nothing that links to the daily caller is a serious news source.

Plus the article is a pile of stupid innuendo that conflates what Hillary did with Petraeus providing contemporaneously classified documents to his journalist fuckbuddy.

Further, clearly nobody in government had a contemporaneous problem with it since they saw the email address every time they communicated with Hillary Clinton. Whenever they sent her an email, they saw

   Hillary Clinton
show up in the email composition window, which certainly cannot be mistaken for a state department email...

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by untog »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #56
cm2012 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That server was for only unclassified data though. Some stuff was later called "Classified", but many innocuous things are classified.

I was unaware the clintonemail.com email server could differentiate between unclassified and classified content.

She still had a .gov e-mail address. It isn't difficult to imagine there was a "confidential to @gov, all else to @clintonemail.com" rule.

I'm not defending the practise, but let's not be glib.

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by woodman »

cm2012 wrote: post #32
zaroth wrote: post #13

The emails themselves sent from Clinton's server were unencrypted for several months, so unencrypted printing is just more of the same. There's no reasonable question anymore that laws on handling classified data were broken, the only question is will charges actually be brought?

That server was for only unclassified data though. Some stuff was later called "Classified", but many innocuous things are classified.

Part of the whole security clearance process is instruction on detecting misclassification, so the :%s/SECRET/SUCRETS/g defense doesn't work. At least 22 emails where later classified as top secret, there is no way to mistake top secret material for uncontrolled information. There were at least 22 chances to take a step back and wonder about the wisdom of the thing.
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