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Re: What disturbed me about the Facebook meeting

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Post by jgroszko »

joshuaheard wrote: post #46
jgroszko wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He mentions Brendan Eich who was ousted from Mozilla for his anti-gay views. I have little sympathy for someone who feels marginalized by views they choose to hold and express when I, as a gay man, could be marginalized simply for who I am, something I did NOT choose. While most people may be able to just put their political opinions on the shelf, any time discussion turns towards family or after-work hobbies I have…

There was no evidence Eich was anti-gay. It was discovered he had donated to Prop 8, the California initiative which restated the status quo, that marriage is between one man and one woman, and which passed by a majority of California voters. For that political donation, he was ostracized and effectively run out of his job in Silicon Valley. San Francisco has always been one of the most liberal cities in the country,…

I can't attest to Eich's personal views, but giving money to maintain a status quo that is discriminatory against gays is anti-gay.

Re: What disturbed me about the Facebook meeting

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Post by [deleted] »

pigpaws wrote: post #30
010a wrote: post #18

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Its hilarious how this comment alone exemplifies exactly what he's talking about when he says that conservative voices are being marginalized in silicon valley. We need to make sure we brand the post with his name so us cushy liberals can be protected from these mean and different viewpoints, right?

yes, but at the same time, Glen Beck represents the more 'religious' aspect of the far-right. That's the whole issue with the right (IMO) is that it was hijacked by the (Hypocritical) religious people, whereas there was almost NO ONE representing the right-center folks who are fiscally conservative, yet socially liberal/acceptable (live and let live). I already know who my state with vote for, which allows me to vote…

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Re: What disturbed me about the Facebook meeting

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Post by Chris2048 »

FussyZeus wrote: post #15

> "What happened to us?" The thing that drove me, a lifelong conservative, into the arms of Bernie Sanders; the Republican party (and the conservative group in particular) are so hard core on social issues that are to be blunt, disgusting (things like preventing homosexual marriage and abortion) and completely antithetical to the idea of "keeping government out of things." No I don't like everything the Left wants to…

> I have too many friends who had their contraception fail and aren't in any position to raise a child

This is an argument for killing it off then?

Re: What disturbed me about the Facebook meeting

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Post by slantyyz »

elgabogringo wrote: post #22
chubot wrote: post #14

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I was with you until the third paragraph. You're engaging in the same kind of extreme stereotyping that you're complaining about. Those guys probably disagree profoundly with you; it doesn't mean they are evil narcissists out of a dystopian novel.

You mean these CEO's narcissistic, self-righteous, power-obsessed business leaders? Pretty sure they are. You mean they aren't helping the US Gov't spy on us? Pretty sure they are. You mean they aren't throwing their economic weight around in the USA to oppose republican measures while cutting deals with oppressive totalitarian leaders (China, Saudi Arabia, etc.) in order to sell product? Pretty sure they are.

I'm pretty sure those CEOs will behave pretty much the same way regardless of party affiliation.

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Post by thatswrong0 »

ryanx435 wrote: post #34

You obviously live in an echo chamber so let me explain it to you; If you believe that every life is sacred and has intrinsic value simply for being alive, and believe that a fetus is a life at the moment of conception, than abortion is murder and no different than gunning someone down in the street. Therefore abortion should be illegal. This isn't even a religious argument. For your friends that had their contracept…

I would frankly be surprised if a majority of the religious right had ever read the Bible front to back or seriously tried to understand the teachings of Jesus, otherwise I don't think you'd see the blatant anti-gay discrimination that you do from them.

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Post by [deleted] »

pj_mukh wrote: post #56
joshuaheard wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was no evidence Eich was anti-gay. It was discovered he had donated to Prop 8, the California initiative which restated the status quo, that marriage is between one man and one woman, and which passed by a majority of California voters. For that political donation, he was ostracized and effectively run out of his job in Silicon Valley. San Francisco has always been one of the most liberal cities in the country,…

Do you really see no problem with telling others who they can and can't marry? I can't see myself supporting or working for a CEO that thinks it's okay to donate to Propositions that support this level of imposition on other peoples'lives. I guess the board of Firefox agreed.

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Re: What disturbed me about the Facebook meeting

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Post by mikestew »

ryanx435 wrote: post #44

Parent comment was never a conservitive or Republican, they are just a Bernie supporter lying about being a former conservative in an attmpt to make their argument carry more legitimacy.

Boy, you're knocking it out of the park today with the insults and the psychic abilities telling you what other people think. Though it doesn't allow for as much snark, you might consider the idea that people can rethink their views.

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Post by elgabogringo »

perseusprime11 wrote: post #41
elgabogringo wrote: post #10

I'm a Republican. Been working in or for valley companies since 1998. Engineering then business. The last five years I've felt my views become increasingly marginalized. The left in the valley has become increasingly vocal, from the c-suite down, and I've been reluctant to express my views for fear of retaliation (See Mozilla's ex-CEO.) The valley isn't a place focused on the innovation and free thinking that gave it…

You left off Bezos.

Good point. Apologies

Re: What disturbed me about the Facebook meeting

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Post by elgabogringo »

pjc50 wrote: post #26
elgabogringo wrote: post #22

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You mean these CEO's narcissistic, self-righteous, power-obsessed business leaders? Pretty sure they are. You mean they aren't helping the US Gov't spy on us? Pretty sure they are. You mean they aren't throwing their economic weight around in the USA to oppose republican measures while cutting deals with oppressive totalitarian leaders (China, Saudi Arabia, etc.) in order to sell product? Pretty sure they are.

But is this a "liberal vs conservative" issue or a "big money vs the public" issue? There are plenty of other companies that throw their weight around to oppose Democrats while cutting deals with totalitarians. And other companies that donate to both sides just to make sure, such as the arms industry?

It's a freedom vs not-free issue. There will always be rich, powerful people that want more power. The power they want often comes at the expense of individual rights.

The government is supposed to be there to protect us from exactly these types, but now they are increasingly working hand in hand against us.

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Post by elgabogringo »

awesomerobot wrote: post #50
pjc50 wrote: post #26

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But is this a "liberal vs conservative" issue or a "big money vs the public" issue? There are plenty of other companies that throw their weight around to oppose Democrats while cutting deals with totalitarians. And other companies that donate to both sides just to make sure, such as the arms industry?

I think it was mostly dumb luck in the beginning, but "liberal vs conservative" is the best distraction from "big money vs the public" in our lifetimes.

It's really about freedom. And it's "Those who want to control us vs those who want freedom to control themselves." Has always been that way, always will be.

Democrats and Republicans used to (largely) agree on freedom as the goal and just disagreed on the means. Now that's changed.

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