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Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by newjersey »

elthran wrote: post #51
maxaf wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost everywhere I travel outside of NYC the question pops up: is tap water safe to drink? New York is notoriously proud of and vocal about this local amenity. Achieving a universal standard in this area would go a long way towards putting a significant dent in the bottled water scam.

By outside of NYC do you mean just elsewhere in the USA? I didn't realize the situation was that bad in the USA, outside of places such as Flint. I'm from the UK, and this question never comes up anywhere in the country (I'm aware of the scale differences we're talking about)- if you travel anywhere, you can drink the tap water.

Yes. I'm ashamed to admit that we don't fluoridate our water across the Hudson river.

While I'll never admit this in person in front of a New Yorker, water does taste better in the city.

This is not to take away from the fact that water here is mostly safe to drink. There was an incident earlier this year with a broken mains flooding Hoboken which left a little bit to be desired in terms of communication. However, overall I'm fairly satisfied with the water here. I imagine it is the same idiot antivaxxers who don't want fluoride in water but I haven't looked into it.

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by gruez »

dasboth wrote: post #54
mhurron wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, diabetes is often a byproduct of choosing to over consume sugar. Nestle didn't make them diabetic, they did that to themselves. There is no direct cause and effect, producing sugary snacks does not cause diabetes. People choose to over consume to the point they develop diabetes. People's lack of self control created a market, Nestle wants to be one of the companies in that market.

Honest question: do you see nothing wrong with someone monetising other people's lack of self control?

Devil's advocate: why shoud they not do it? Unless every other food producer does the same, sugary foods will still be available but Nestle would lose out on the profits.

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by mseebach »

kidmenot wrote: post #50
maxaf wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost everywhere I travel outside of NYC the question pops up: is tap water safe to drink? New York is notoriously proud of and vocal about this local amenity. Achieving a universal standard in this area would go a long way towards putting a significant dent in the bottled water scam.

> is tap water safe to drink? As someone who lives across the pond, it never ceases to amaze me that this question needs to be asked at all. Is tap water safe to drink? I wouldn't take "no" as an answer unless I'm in some remote third-world country that has known issues with the availability of drinking water. And yet... Not saying tap water here tastes great everywhere (far from that), but you can be pretty sure it…

Good for you, but this is what the International Association for Medical Assistance to Travellers has to say about Italy:

> Drinking water is chlorinated and has no ill effect on the local population. However, some strains of e. coli (naturally occurring bacteria found in your gastro-intestinal system) may be present in very small concentrations in the local water supply. Some local strains are different than those that you may be used to, and may cause diarrhea in travellers since immunity is not developed as a result of short-term exposure. Using bottled water for the first few weeks will help you adjust and decrease the chance of traveller's diarrhea.

https://www.iamat.org/country/italy/risk/food-water-safety-o...

Poking around, the same warning is in place for Spain and Portugal.

I always get bottled water when travelling, although I tend to get the cheap local or store brand water. A few euros is really cheap anti-diarrhea insurance, and it tastes a lot better than chlorinated water, too.

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by parennoob »

piquadrat wrote: post #41
cies wrote: post #14

> Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills ...and they want to "own" the water. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_pb6r8VNWk

Can we stop this "Nestlé thinks water isn't a human right" BS already? http://www.nestle.com/ask-nestle/human-rights/answers/nestle... I'm far from being a fan of Nestlé, but there are better arguments against their conduct than a single quote from the CEO years ago, misquoted and out of context.

No one is showing the clip of what he actually said, which is here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWkA-uAPXCE#t=2m10s

He does absolutely say that "NGOs bang on about water being declared a human right", at the time when he is relaxed, and even bringing up some Austrian folk song about water. He says absolutely nothing about limits, or just being careful.

The page you linked is a great example of corporate damage control. I tend to trust what people say when they are being candid over what they say on a PR page.

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by lmm »

mseebach wrote: post #63
kidmenot wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> is tap water safe to drink? As someone who lives across the pond, it never ceases to amaze me that this question needs to be asked at all. Is tap water safe to drink? I wouldn't take "no" as an answer unless I'm in some remote third-world country that has known issues with the availability of drinking water. And yet... Not saying tap water here tastes great everywhere (far from that), but you can be pretty sure it…

Good for you, but this is what the International Association for Medical Assistance to Travellers has to say about Italy: > Drinking water is chlorinated and has no ill effect on the local population. However, some strains of e. coli (naturally occurring bacteria found in your gastro-intestinal system) may be present in very small concentrations in the local water supply. Some local strains are different than those t…

Sure, that's the same pretty much anywhere - the water is safe when you're used to it, when moving you're better off giving yourself a couple of weeks to adjust.

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by coldpie »

gruez wrote: post #62
dasboth wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest question: do you see nothing wrong with someone monetising other people's lack of self control?

Devil's advocate: why shoud they not do it? Unless every other food producer does the same, sugary foods will still be available but Nestle would lose out on the profits.

Perhaps we should create and enforce regulations to prevent all companies from preying on the very human lack of self control.

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by nommm-nommm »

folli wrote: post #56
ck2 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do think it is their right to buy publicly owned municipality water and then sell it back to the public. I mean with soda at least they are putting a few cents per gallon into it. There should be a truth-in-advertising law they makes the bottle labels say "filtered publicly owned water $1".

In my opinion, the blaming is very one-sided. I mean what kind of municipality sells such rights to a private entity?

Aquafina (Pepsi) and Desani (Coke) bottled water are municipal tap water that has been filtered. The source of the water is usually on the label.

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by ck2 »

dagw wrote: post #57
ck2 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do think it is their right to buy publicly owned municipality water and then sell it back to the public. I mean with soda at least they are putting a few cents per gallon into it. There should be a truth-in-advertising law they makes the bottle labels say "filtered publicly owned water $1".

There should be a truth-in-advertising law Aren't there? I'm sure I've seen the source of the water printed on the water bottles.

The location/font-size for the brand and the source need to be switched if it is just water.

Speaking of which, so we know some water sources but it is now legal to not mention food sources on many products.

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by erikb »

mhurron wrote: post #10

Diabetes is not always a byproduct of over consuming sugar and a company producing sugary snacks and diabetes pills does not force or even encourage over consumption of sugar. I don't see what the actual problem is.

Even considerung a possible connection I don't see a problem. That's how business works.

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by aedron »

jld89 wrote: post #29
mhurron wrote: post #10

Diabetes is not always a byproduct of over consuming sugar and a company producing sugary snacks and diabetes pills does not force or even encourage over consumption of sugar. I don't see what the actual problem is.

"does not force or even encourage over consumption of sugar." Actually they do encourage you to eat a lot of sugar. Specially children. Their marketing campaigns are specially tailored to that objective. Just look at the cereal advertisements, most of their cereal brands have a lot of sugar in them. If that is not encouraging over consumption of sugar I don't know what is...

Marketing potentially harmful products to children should simply not be allowed. It is well-accepted that children lack the experience and power of judgement to properly evaluate marketing claims.

A product sold as breakfast, that consists of 25% sugar, absolutely qualifies as harmful.

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