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Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by dougmccune »

chias wrote: post #45

I feel a little tingle of excitement seeing my own papers on Sci-Hub. I mean I get that they're trying to index all publications so it's not a "stamp or approval" or anything... but it does mean that people can actually access the knowledge I tried to throw into the world, which was kind of the whole point in doing it. I'd update my academic website to link my papers to their sci-hub URLs if I didn't think I'd catch…

I'm genuinely curious who you think would give you flak. Publishers? Your department faculty? The librarian at your university? Your peers?

(reason I'm interested: I'm on the board of Sage and have a board meeting tomorrow where I hope we'll be discussing sci-hub)

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by middleclick »

copperx wrote: post #9
lake99 wrote: post #2

On the bright side, this will give some much-needed publicity to Tor Browser. Sci-hub is still available at http://scihub22266oqcxt.onion/

Does using Tor puts you on some kind of list? It would be tragic if someone used Tor to read a scientific article but then got charged with aiding terrorism or looking for child pornography.

The fact that you even have to think this suggests that you should use Tor so that they don't win in self-censoring the citizens.

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by bwoj »

copperx wrote: post #9
lake99 wrote: post #2

On the bright side, this will give some much-needed publicity to Tor Browser. Sci-hub is still available at http://scihub22266oqcxt.onion/

Does using Tor puts you on some kind of list? It would be tragic if someone used Tor to read a scientific article but then got charged with aiding terrorism or looking for child pornography.

Not sure why everyone is downvoting. You may not go on a list, but you could be targeted by the FBI if they can produce "probable cause"

http://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/constitutional-rights...

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by zo1 »

finnn wrote: post #27
zo1 wrote: post #10

Is there a donate location of sorts that we can pay into to support the efforts that the sci-hub person/team/organization is doing? This is a another good cause that I would find worthy to donate to. Edit. Ok, found it: http://www.sci-hub.cc/donate Apparently, only bitcoin donations are possible at the moment. BitCoint Wallet for donations: 1K4t2vSBSS2xFjZ6PofYnbgZewjeqbG1TM

I see a different Bitcoin address. I recommend people visit the site and not use the address random commenters on the internet post. Not saying the parent comment is up to something, sci-hub may have rotated the address for whatever reason. The one I see starts with 14ghuGKD EDIT: Ah, interestingly, the 1K4t2v address appears on the scihub.cc homepage, but not the donate page that was linked

I thought about not posting it as well. When I did, I double-checked myself twice to make sure I didn't post the wrong one.

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by finnn »

iamnothere wrote: post #58
finnn wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>switching to https They don't even have a valid certificate for that domain. BUT interestingly, on a US (DO NYC) server or my house (US/Comcast): $ curl http://sci-hub.cc/donate Please donate to Bitcoin: 14ghuGKDAPdEcUQN4zuzGwBUrhQgACwAyA % however, on a French (OVH) server: $ curl http://sci-hub.cc/donate {cut for brevity, a fair amount of HTML here} Please send donations to bitcoin wallet: 1K4t2vSBSS2xFjZ6PofYnbgZ…

Tested from US university IP, I also get the 1K4t wallet address. Maybe a caching issue with the CDN (assuming they use one)?

Which university? I tried from the University of Washington and got the 14gh address

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by ptaipale »

refurb wrote: post #25
tmptmp wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>Should publisher's work be free? I think not. What exact work these publishers are doing? How much are they demanding for that? Who is funding the research? Who is doing the work? These publishers are just mean middlemen who are trying to extract as much money as they can/want from both the authors and the readers. Now is the time to get rid of them.

What exact work these publishers are doing? Typesetting, third party review, offering visibility in a high quality journal? The point is nothing is stopping scientists from publishing in other, open source journals. But they don't. That means these journals offer something of value to them.

Typesetting by publisher is not valuable at this age.

Elsevier seems keen to not have third parties review the publications.

And visibility, same thing. They try to prevent it.

Yes, scientists should publish elsewhere; the contracts currently prevent them as Elsevier has power to stop them through their entrenched legacy position.

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by AndrewOMartin »

chias wrote: post #45

I feel a little tingle of excitement seeing my own papers on Sci-Hub. I mean I get that they're trying to index all publications so it's not a "stamp or approval" or anything... but it does mean that people can actually access the knowledge I tried to throw into the world, which was kind of the whole point in doing it. I'd update my academic website to link my papers to their sci-hub URLs if I didn't think I'd catch…

I felt that tingle too! I saw a book I co-edited on SciHub on the same day the publishers sent me a royalty statement reminding me that absolutely zero people want to pay 120GBP to read what I (my co-editors and contributors) put together through a whole lot of unpaid effort.

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by morgante »

refurb wrote: post #56
morgante wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That means these journals offer something of value to them. Prestige, obviously. The other services are marginally valuable. Honestly, I wish a big foundation would agree to simply underwrite any such costs (to remove these as an objection). The whole value of publishers is in their accumulated brand value. A brand value which they did not build themselves but instead gathered from decades of harvesting public reso…

Public resources? How do you figure? Not all research public is a public resource. Pharmaceutical companies publish, as do private foundations. Anyways, if the research was funded through public money, it gets published for free anyways.

> Anyways, if the research was funded through public money, it gets published for free anyways.

It does? I'm genuinely curious. The vast majority of research is funded with public money (to some extent).

Where is all this publicly-funded research published?

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by blue_dinner »

Just like with music and file sharing, this will not hurt the large corporations. It will only hurt the researchers that depend on these papers for funding and make it more difficult for them to make a living in the future.

It will also push companies to keep research more private and proprietary. Why would I spend millions of dollars on research, only to have it freely distributed to everyone, including my potential competitors?

I've never witnesses a time where more people fight to give up more and more of their own power and hand it over to governments and large corporations on a silver platter...and then complain when it's all gone.

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by hackuser »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #13
copperx wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does using Tor puts you on some kind of list? It would be tragic if someone used Tor to read a scientific article but then got charged with aiding terrorism or looking for child pornography.

Using Tor does put you on some kind of list, but you aren't going to get charged with aiding terrorism or looking for child pornography because of it. Unless you use it for those things, I guess, and get caught.

> you aren't going to get charged

What is this based on? If it's rationality, that doesn't always apply to legal and political matters, to the very human human beings who make those decisions, or to the politial situation around them.

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