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Re: How Android gets to 100% market share

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Post by lnanek2 »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #46
vlan0 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find a lot of those brand loyalist tend to be foolish in many ways. They make decisions based on emotion, rather than analytical thought. I worked in retail for a good part of a decade, and I was dumbfounded by the number of people who would never buy another product from X manufacture based on a single poor experience with one product. It's simply an emotional response to their unpleasant experience which results…

You mean someone who spends days sleeping on the sidewalk in a tent to buy the new version of a pocket computer isn't buying based on analytical thought? The thing is, I can understand staying up late and going to a midnight release of something like folks have done for a new Harry Potter book or a new Halo release. Following that up with staying up late reading the stories of the characters you already know to find…

A new smartphone enhances your capabilities, though. They are tools. So the guy waiting for a smartphone instead of waiting to see Harry Potter is going to come away from the experience with more capabilities than he had before. New entertainment like movies just wastes your time and money.

They are also powerful status symbols, like having an expensive Rolex. Someone who is first in their circle with a new iDevice is like a minor celebrity and gains attention and status. Depending on their position that can be converted to things like enterprise sales, intimate partners, etc..

Re: How Android gets to 100% market share

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Post by Zigurd »

coldcode wrote: post #18

Nuclear bomb on Apple campus? This isn't 1995 and Windows. If anything Android becomes even more fragmented both for commercial reasons and by government meddling requiring different things in different countries until the OS is split up. Saying you are "Android" requires Google's restrictive license and that grates on lots of manufacturers who would love to be out from under their thumb and control their business. D…

As an OEM you have basically two choices:

1. Do Android. You can crap it up with bloatware, or you can resign yourself to non-differentiation in software features and try to distinguish your products in hardware.

2. You can dick around with a badly supported oddball OSs and go back to Android after you waste some money. Nobody is putting in the effort it takes to compete with Android.

Maybe someone should put in the investment to compete with Android, but it isn't true that "something has to give." It is possible to compete with Android, but that will cost many tens of millions, and maybe hundreds of millions just to try. Samsung won't put that kind of money into Tizen. Who else has the potential to compete?

Really, the OEMs have nobody but themselves to blame for poor margins. If they can't think beyond bloatware "differentiation" they deserve their outcomes.

Re: How Android gets to 100% market share

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Post by collyw »

lnanek2 wrote: post #61
JohnTHaller wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean someone who spends days sleeping on the sidewalk in a tent to buy the new version of a pocket computer isn't buying based on analytical thought? The thing is, I can understand staying up late and going to a midnight release of something like folks have done for a new Harry Potter book or a new Halo release. Following that up with staying up late reading the stories of the characters you already know to find…

A new smartphone enhances your capabilities, though. They are tools. So the guy waiting for a smartphone instead of waiting to see Harry Potter is going to come away from the experience with more capabilities than he had before. New entertainment like movies just wastes your time and money. They are also powerful status symbols, like having an expensive Rolex. Someone who is first in their circle with a new iDevice i…

The iPhones that people queue for are usually incremental upgrades not "capability enhancing" devices.

Re: How Android gets to 100% market share

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Post by r00fus »

vlan0 wrote: post #28
patwolf wrote: post #24

My grandfather was a Ford man. He would only ever buy a Ford, even during periods when other manufacturers were making vastly superior vehicles. I used to think such loyalty was a silly generational thing. My generation was a fickle consumer. We would research and decide on a purchase based purely on merit. That's how I was with phones. When iPhone was the most compelling phone, I would buy an iPhone. When there was…

I find a lot of those brand loyalist tend to be foolish in many ways. They make decisions based on emotion, rather than analytical thought. I worked in retail for a good part of a decade, and I was dumbfounded by the number of people who would never buy another product from X manufacture based on a single poor experience with one product. It's simply an emotional response to their unpleasant experience which results…

While I find those who hop from one product to another are often doing analysis without enough data. They're the ones who are making rash decisions, and if not, then they should be able to show me their data.

"You don't know what you have until it's gone" is relevant here - those who don't switch may value what exists (and the perceived/tangible benefits of the vendor/platform they're using) well over any new snazzy features/improvements.

How many new "problems" or "missed expectations" will happen when I migrate that I didn't factor into the switch? About half my office switched to Android in 2012, then switched back in 2014 with the new iPhones.

About the only "leap of faith" that worked for me was moving to T-Mobile in 2013 - very very few problems with them, and the removal of bill anxiety is a blessing I cherish every month (I still have a monthly reminder telling me to check my ATT/VZ quotas - I haven't deleted those - they're my reminder of how shitty it was with them).

Re: How Android gets to 100% market share

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Post by raddad »

patwolf wrote: post #24

My grandfather was a Ford man. He would only ever buy a Ford, even during periods when other manufacturers were making vastly superior vehicles. I used to think such loyalty was a silly generational thing. My generation was a fickle consumer. We would research and decide on a purchase based purely on merit. That's how I was with phones. When iPhone was the most compelling phone, I would buy an iPhone. When there was…

I ran into a rural agricultural phenomena in which people wanted the biggest, baddest, newest, fastest, whizzbang available. One was particularly upset when I informed him the place he purchased said biggest, baddest, newest, fastest, whizzbang was a discount store and thus didn't have the biggest, baddest, newest, fastest, whizzbang; all they had was older tech.

I think I ruined his life.

Re: How Android gets to 100% market share

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Post by almostdvs »

Shivetya wrote: post #4

I am not sure which phone my father has, but based on searches for trying to solve a simple issue on his it seems like something many Android users have. I cannot delete his email account off the phone. There is no method short of pointing it to a bad email address and provider that I can find and I am not sure it would even allow that change. Really, there is no option anywhere to delete. I did get it to stop pullin…

I ran into this the other day. Under accounts, you tap the account you want to delete. There should be the option to remove account in the menu button ... It just says sync now. Tap the account again. That took a few hours to figure out.

Re: How Android gets to 100% market share

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Post by serge2k »

vlan0 wrote: post #28
patwolf wrote: post #24

My grandfather was a Ford man. He would only ever buy a Ford, even during periods when other manufacturers were making vastly superior vehicles. I used to think such loyalty was a silly generational thing. My generation was a fickle consumer. We would research and decide on a purchase based purely on merit. That's how I was with phones. When iPhone was the most compelling phone, I would buy an iPhone. When there was…

I find a lot of those brand loyalist tend to be foolish in many ways. They make decisions based on emotion, rather than analytical thought. I worked in retail for a good part of a decade, and I was dumbfounded by the number of people who would never buy another product from X manufacture based on a single poor experience with one product. It's simply an emotional response to their unpleasant experience which results…

I have a Sharp TV. I noticed a while after I bought it (still fairly new, In the case of Apple vs. Android. I've used both, developed for both. Owned an Android phone for a long time, have no intention of ever going back. iOS is just that much better for me.

Exception being if Apple decides to be a bunch of fucking assholes and drop the 3.5mm jack.

Re: How Android gets to 100% market share

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Post by viraptor »

pjmlp wrote: post #45
Oletros wrote: post #29

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> How is this different from the firmware issues that plague Android? What "firmware issues plague Android? > Whoever believes that Android is better than J2ME, never had to make their apps work on cheap or network specific Android devices. This must be a joke

> What "firmware issues plague Android? Apparently you lack reading comprehension as I listed two of them. > This must be a joke So here are a some more jokes specially just for you: https://github.com/google/iosched/issues/79 http://www.androidheadlines.com/2014/11/samsung-devices-migh... http://verybadalloc.com/android/2015/12/19/special-place-for... https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list?can=1&q=firmwa...

So the released devices have bugs - same thing happened on old feature phones. That's always going to happen - that's how consumer software works. This is not even close to what happened for J2ME.

1. If there was a J2ME bug on a phone, you were stuck with it forever. Only a handful of phones received upgrades and you had to find a specific cable to flash them, so most people never did. With Android you have a chance to receive a fix over the network - that's magic in comparison.

2. You're still using Android libs to write the apps. You're not downloading Samsung SDK which won't work on Asus, or LG SDK which won't work on something else. You're publishing one package, and not one package per phone producer, or even model. Again, magic in comparison.

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