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Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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First thought: Xamarin is now open source—great! Second thought: Every time I looked into Xamarin (and I do this every 6 months) there was a lack of killer apps created with Xamarin on both iOS and Android, users' experiences with Xamarin were either rare or negative and in total the community felt non-existent Third thought: Ok got it, they open source to get PR, build a community; I hope that helps and it's not the…

No, use React Native

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Why do you link to gitter when you should actually like to the repos instead ?

Depends on how you learn. Some learn by being around others, social interaction, asking questions and absorbing knowledge. It's clear you fall into the latter category which likes to learn by diving right into the code, so here it is: .NET CLR Managed Runtime - https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr .NET Framework - https://github.com/dotnet/corefx .NET Compiler as a Service ("Roslyn") - https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn .…

You seem to be dodging the question. The question is why -you- are linking to gitter.

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Honestly, I am a little tired of all the articles (edit: I meant posts) claiming MS is suddenly in the Open Source camp. To truly support Open Source, they should show a willingness to work against Software Patents. The essence of Open Source is the freedom for anyone with a computer to turn their imagination into code. MS remains one of the biggest obstacles in that path. Instead here is what they do: 1) Directly at…

>Honestly, say what you will about Google, but I can't imagine them ever threatening another software company with software patents. That is a naive fanboy outlook towards a company. Its a well known fact that Google bought Motorola only for the patents. Google has also managed to use the patents to sue other companies including Microsoft. Although I still believe it is the game that is flawed and not the players. Go…

I am not a Google fanboy, I am merely saying they abide by the spirit of Open Source. I just used them as an example. RedHat is another example.

> Google has also managed to use the patents to sue other companies including Microsoft.

Can you post a link to Google suing Microsoft first (not in retaliation)? Google was way behind in the patent game until they got hurt. Google bought Motorola to have a defensive patent portfolio. Also, see their Open Patent Non-Assertion Pledge https://www.google.com/patents/opnpledge/

> Open-Source is open source, the only thing that matters is license here and it is as liberal as it could get MIT.

Open Source is where it is today from the decades of hard work by many, many people (in the early days, just for the love of it with no pay). MS is doing Open Source today because it really has no choice. There is no comparison between these two.

Open Source can welcome MS, but it should demonstrate a willingness to work towards the best interests of the movement. There are bigger goals here.

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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This is amazing! But question - where is RoboVM? Please release to MIT license so it doesn't waste all of the work done so far.

RoboVM was forked, the fork is named BugVM[1], and it's currently maintained. [1] http://bugvm.com/

There's quite a bit of work that's been done in RoboVM since that was forked.

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Honestly, I am a little tired of all the articles (edit: I meant posts) claiming MS is suddenly in the Open Source camp. To truly support Open Source, they should show a willingness to work against Software Patents. The essence of Open Source is the freedom for anyone with a computer to turn their imagination into code. MS remains one of the biggest obstacles in that path. Instead here is what they do: 1) Directly at…

I honestly disagree with your stance against patents, disregarding dull patents and the issues they bring like patent trolls, I really believe that the industry needs patents to prevent unfair competition. The issue is the length of patents, the Software industry doesn't need 20 year-long patents, it's too much time, at most a patent should be valid for 5 years... And well, we also need mechanisms to punish people wh…

Agree that software patents but to me, the issue is patent trolls.

Patents should only be applicable if the company can show it's actually working in a domain that will apply this patent.

With rules like this, patent trolls would cease to exist and software patents would go back to being extremely useful to software innovation, like they were designed to be.

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Now my only remaining qualm with Xamarin is this: Having two garbage-collected environments interacting within the same program, as is the case with Xamarin on Android, just seems pathologically complex. Does anyone have enough experience with Xamarin on Android to know if this is ever a problem in practice?

Edit: I wonder if the Xamarin.Android developers ever considered compiling CIL to JVM bytecode (which would then be compiled to Dex bytecode), then reimplementing mscorlib on top of the Java standard libraries. So basically, IKVM.NET in reverse. Then there'd be no bridging between two environments.

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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It has been super exciting watching this all unfold over the last year, for those wondering where to get started in the new world of .NET open source - start here: .NET CLR Managed Runtime - https://gitter.im/dotnet/coreclr .NET Framework - https://gitter.im/dotnet/corefx .NET Compiler as a Service ("Roslyn") - https://gitter.im/dotnet/roslyn .NET Orleans Actor Framework - https://gitter.im/dotnet/orleans Mono Framew…

Why do you link to gitter when you should actually like to the repos instead ?

I was _just_ about to type this exact string before I read yours. Linking to Gitter is _wrong_ IMO.

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on how you learn. Some learn by being around others, social interaction, asking questions and absorbing knowledge. It's clear you fall into the latter category which likes to learn by diving right into the code, so here it is: .NET CLR Managed Runtime - https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr .NET Framework - https://github.com/dotnet/corefx .NET Compiler as a Service ("Roslyn") - https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn .…

You seem to be dodging the question. The question is why -you- are linking to gitter.

Presumably, they prefer to learn by talking to people rather than browsing repos.

The .NET community was, until recently, decidedly not-open-source, so the learning workflow of "open the repo, read the readme, browse the code" might be a new thing for them.

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