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There are hundreds of boys like this as well. Geniuses get born everywhere, in different bodies, places, social strata etc. The fact that many of them get lesser chances to contribute to the world is an outrageous abuse of the most precious resource that the humanity has, regardless of why it happens.
And how do you propose we fix that, and more importantly, does your solution scale?
Three teen sisters who win medals in coding competitions
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#62That is pretty awesome. I remember back in high school in the Soviet Union (then, what became one of the ex-Soviet Union republics, much like Georgia), there were quite a few girls in my class who were doing well above and beyond what boys would be in math, informatics (what we called computer science) and physics. Remember asking a girl for help to understand integrals. So there is something to it in that part of th…
The Soviets were very good at it and made some fine rifles, I used to use an old Vostok in high school, cheaper than a German Anshutz, and almost as good.
Re: Three teen sisters who win medals in coding competitions
#63That is pretty awesome. I remember back in high school in the Soviet Union (then, what became one of the ex-Soviet Union republics, much like Georgia), there were quite a few girls in my class who were doing well above and beyond what boys would be in math, informatics (what we called computer science) and physics. Remember asking a girl for help to understand integrals. So there is something to it in that part of th…
Smallbore is the sport you're talking about. The Soviets were very good at it and made some fine rifles, I used to use an old Vostok in high school, cheaper than a German Anshutz, and almost as good.
Found a picture even:
http://d2dt9vg05qkweq.cloudfront.net/media/1534055/web_joe-f...
(notice the arm belt).
We had a nice facility. When it rained we used air rifles inside for practice.
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
Equally as important, perhaps they do not have it drilled into them that beauty is all they should aim for. Everything they see is that women should be (model level) beautiful. Should flaunt their women-ness. Advertising, makeup, dolls, television, films play a bigger part than the so called sexism that exists in engineering cultures
The fact that makeup exists speaks a lot about our culture and how it views women.
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> Can anyone point me to a link where anyone (other than a feminist) has said this? Seems odd to tie this to being a feminist. I would hope all commentators on HN are feminists. What is your definition of a feminist? > There has never been a myth that women can't code. I don't think anyone says women "can't" code. I would say in most universities in the US, you could reasonably argue there seems to be more barriers t…
> I would hope all commentators on HN are feminists. I would hope so too, but the empirical evidence is against us.
On the other hand, if by feminism you mean rather strident and angry views being put forth by some self-proclaimed feminists... well then I would say most of HN commenters aren't feminists. And I would also say I'm glad for that.
Really though, this whole topic is radioactive. It's best to stay quiet or use a pseudonym when discussing it. Otherwise, you're bound to make enemies.
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#67The interview was preserved as-is, though I added speaker labels to make it clearer who is talking.
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TITLE: These Three Young Sisters Perform Very Well in Programming Competitions
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Mari would be skeptical of a claim that females are not good at engineering, programming, or competition. Mari, 11, has two sisters who she thinks are good at programming and competition. Elene Machaidze, 18, and her sister Ani, 16, take part in coding competitions. They win more than most other competitors. Other competitors are often men. They have medals from many prestigious programming tournaments such as International Olympiads in Informatics (IOI).
The three sisters live in Georgia. Georgia is a European country with a population equal to just 11% of the state of California. They are well known for being better than their opponents at programming. They are growing up with supportive parents, teachers, and mentors who instill confidence in them.
Elene demonstrated her success in programming first. Mari and Ani have her as a role model. Many successful programmers are male.
We sat down with Elene to learn more about their story and how they achieved so much at such a young age.
Interviewer: “So how long have you all been coding?”
Elene: “Mari just started learning programming last year. Ani has been coding for four or five years now. I started coding when I was in sixth grade. I joined a programming club called Mzuiri. I just graduated from Komarovi school, which focuses on math, physics and computer science. Ani is going there now, and Mari will go there next year.”
Interviewer: “What drew you all to coding?”
Elene: “Our parents actually went to Komarovi school too. My dad is a programmer, and he works at a bank as a security analyst. We were exposed to math and computer science at a very early age, and we all love coding and participating in contests just for fun. I do want to major in computer science, and eventually work as a programmer like my dad. ”
Interviewer: “How many programming contests have you competed in? And how many medals have you won?”
Elene: “I’ve participated in tons of contests and olympiads. But the most significant ones were:
IOI CEOI IZhO GeOI Google Code Jam HackerRank Women’s Cup Facebook Hacker Cup USACO COCI There were more too. I’ve won 2 bronze medals at IOI, 1 bronze at CEOI, 2 silvers at IZhO. Mari, Ani and I competed in HackerRank Women’s Cup as a team last year, and we ranked third place! Some companies that sponsored the event even sent us a letter after the contest, but I had to tell them that we’re too young right now to work for them.
I might call them when I’m a student or graduated. I’m applying to colleges. I took a gap year after high school, and I was actually teaching programming to 7th to 9th graders. I often point my students toHackerRank challenges to learn how to code. It’s a great tool to supplement learning in a very hands-on way. I love how the problems are arranged on the platform. I’ve been using it for years, back when it was first called Interview Street.”
Interviewer: “Wow, that’s incredible. You’re getting job opportunities before college! And even 11-year-old Mari joined the contest?”
Elene: “Yeah, Women’s Cup was one of her first contests.
We all worked together as a team. I did most of the coding, but Mari and Ani helped me think through the problems.
It was a lot of fun, and we were really surprised we won 3rd place. It was an awesome feeling.”
Interviewer: “How many programming languages do you know? What is your specialty?”
Elene: “It’s funny, I actually started coding in Pascal in 6th grade. It’s such a useless language today, but that’s how I started. Then, I learned C++ and I’ve been coding in C++ ever since. More recently, I’ve been learning Python as well.”
Interviewer: “Do you ever feel like you’re treated differently in forums, discussions or by men in general? Do you feel like you have to prove yourself more so?”
Elene: “Some boys definitely think that they’re better than me just because I’m a girl. I might have felt bad about that years ago, but I don’t feel that way today. I’ve participated in many olympiads and competitions.
And even though there are many more boys than girls, I was one of the first few girls on the Georgian team in IOI and I was the second Georgian girl to win a medal.
The boys don’t say anything anymore. Generally, women are strong and I think more women should code.”
Interviewer: “Yes, we agree. And how do your sisters feel being one of the few female programmers? What advice do you give other girls who want to be great at solving coding challenges like you?”
Elene: “For coding challenges, like the upcoming Women’s CodeSprint, remember that if you get stuck, try to think outside of the box. I like to remember the 9 dots puzzle because it’s a great example of thinking differently.
For those of you who aren’t familiar, the 9 dot puzzle requires you to connect 9 dots by drawing four straight, continuous lines that pass through each of the 9 dots without lifting your pen. Most people think to connect the boundaries, which makes the puzzle seemingly impossible. The only way you can solve this is by drawing the lines outside of the square. Hence, thinking outside of the box.
Anyone can code well if they work hard and are willing to open their minds to solving problems differently.
As for my sisters, if a guy says girls can’t code as well as guys, then my sisters just say “well, my sister wins competitions.” Anytime anyone says you can’t code, it’s all the more reason to roll up your sleeves and work hard. Remember, if you work hard, you can achieve anything and prove them all wrong.”
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#68I've taken the liberty to rewrite the article in literal sentences so people can enjoy it without the opinionated flourish. The interview was preserved as-is, though I added speaker labels to make it clearer who is talking. ------------- TITLE: These Three Young Sisters Perform Very Well in Programming Competitions 5 min read Mari would be skeptical of a claim that females are not good at engineering, programming, or…
I wish internet-based journalism promoted writing like your rewrite. It's too bad neutral writing that isn't flamebait doesn't gather attention.
(And this would have gotten way more attention here if you omitted the "butthurt" part from the beginning. HN readers love it when you're nice to other people.)
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#69Smashing record? What they had done for humanity? In my opinion is a bad idea to add too much pressure to kids, making them compete in contest with absolutely no useful outcome. When I was a kid I entered Mensa but went out soon because of the ill competition "I am smarter than you" stupidity from tests that had nothing to do with the real world. A constant ego battle between (in lots of non testable ways) retarded p…
Performing well at these contests means they will almost certainly be able to get any tech job they want (considering our interviews are just 'solve this algorithmic problem') and produce real useful outcome.
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I wonder which of these other nations are. Perhaps their engineering cultures are more gender-egalitarian than ours.
Equally as important, perhaps they do not have it drilled into them that beauty is all they should aim for. Everything they see is that women should be (model level) beautiful. Should flaunt their women-ness. Advertising, makeup, dolls, television, films play a bigger part than the so called sexism that exists in engineering cultures
There are pink hammers, pink calculators, and plenty of other pink tools that would otherwise not be gendered. A black handled hammer isn't masculine, it's gender neutral, it's functional.
You can't simply be a woman, who is in the tech industry, you have to be a "woman in tech"